Its clearly military my guess would be a C-17, I just saw a piece on ABC News24 by a journalist, Latika Bourke, on another C-17 this time it was on the Prime Minister Kevin Rudds campaign and due to fly from Sydney to Brisbane for a press event (It is currently grounded at Sydney with an electrical issue though according to tweets).
Surely it is a bit unusual to use military planes for this kind of thing (we only have, 6 C-17's) and from memory last election the press chartered their own chase planes.
allrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1660 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11973 times:
That would explain why I saw a C-17 on descent over the northern suburbs into Sydney Airport this morning. What a waste if it is being used for this purpose. Surely you would charter a commercial aircraft instead instead of these four engined monstrosities, although the big empty spaces inside would well reflect the empty policies of Australian politics. Or maybe heavy lift is required due to the size of the egos.
BoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1304 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11906 times:
Quoting allrite (Reply 1): What a waste if it is being used for this purpose.... although the big empty spaces inside would well reflect the empty policies of Australian politics. Or maybe heavy lift is required due to the size of the egos.
Quite normal and has been so since the late 1960, at least. That said I am surprised that they are using something as big and uncomfortable as the C-17s! Last election they used the BBJs and smaller aircraft.
DeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 232 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11806 times:
Quoting gemuser (Reply 5): Quite normal and has been so since the late 1960, at least. That said I am surprised that they are using something as big and uncomfortable as the C-17s! Last election they used the BBJs and smaller aircraft.
The question was about the use of the C-17 for media reps travelling 'with' Rudd & Abbott, not the use of the VIP fleet actually by Rudd & Abbott. Last election I remember the Mineralogy MD80 being used for this & I think there was another media (civil) charter.
I can see a vague logistical benefit in using RAAF aircraft given the RAAF has knowledge of the trip plans of each leader. However as a taxpayer I sincerely hope the media outlets are paying for this, and not the taxpayer.
RyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 4053 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11787 times:
I take it that the leaders aren't flying around in C-17s right? Obviously the Prime Minister gets a BBJ; does the Opposition Leader get one during the campaign? I know that they don't normally. Also, what about other Ministers? They also need to get places for the next "big" announcement. Do they have to go commercial/parties pay for charters?
I can't speak for how it works here, but I imagine its the same. When POTUS goes on tour the White House charters a chase plane for the media (when Obama came to CBR it was a DL 763) but the media outlets pay the administration to join the party. This is to cover the costs of the trip. Of course all the media outlets do so willingly because they want to be there.
Quoting allrite (Reply 1): What a waste if it is being used for this purpose... the big empty spaces inside would well reflect the empty policies of Australian politics. Or maybe heavy lift is required due to the size of the egos
BoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1304 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11581 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 11): The article states its a RAAF aircraft.
No it doesn't, her RAAF flight was grounded so she boarded the Press plane
Quote: Julia Gillard returns to her seat after speaking to reporters aboard a charter flight after her RAAF jet was grounded in Perth.
You can do a google search of the period of the last election, she did not generally ride the press plane she had her own government BBJ.
Quote: Just before lunch time, we all clamber aboard a chartered jet, still not knowing where we're going. One: because press secretaries never trust a journalist with a mobile phone and twitter, and two: so the Opposition finds it hard to keep tabs on Julia Gillard.
Mid-air now and it turns out Geelong is the right answer and after an hour or so of air-conditioned comfort, exceptional leg-room, "free" bottled water and light lunching, we start the descent into Melbourne: it quickly becomes apparent that wet-weather apparel is needed.
Climbing out of our jet, we pass the Prime Minister's RAAF plane (she's beaten us there!) and clamber aboard a new media bus to zip us off to Geelong.
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6): Certainly does seem a bit much to use such a large aircraft. Is this being directly funded by the tax-payer?
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 10): Its going to be funded by the taypayer, through the defence budget I would imagine.
Not a thoroughly authoritative source, but tweets from several journalists indicated that the charters are paid for by the respective political parties, so at least not directly taxpayer funded. I find it hard to believe that this would be more cost effective than leasing a civilian airliner, so either the RAAF offers a very good rate or this is only an interim measure while civilian charters are arranged.
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3152 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11275 times:
Back before that in 2007 Howard had a few F100s out from Croatia for the press! All of the 146s and fokkers in the Australian fleet were too busy on mining contracts and weren't available. This time around I think it would be similar, however their are some recent aircraft retirements soon...QF 734s, some Virgin 73G's and Air NZ 737s that could all potentially serve this role well. Also I believe the Airbus A319 pictured above is the one used to go down to Antartic... the government sort of lease it to get the scientists down there but when its got downtime it's available to to public to charter.
A36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10926 times:
The faster this particular election is over with the better. What a miserable 6 years of parliament we have all had! I am so totally sick to death of both Capital Hill and the Canberra Press gallery I mute my TV when any politician or political "journalist" appears on it!!
And if that RAAF C-17 is uncomfortable for the press....good! If the thing got grounded and that meant campaign Kevin747 is not on my telly....even better! If I hear 'zip' one more time I am going to go chuck a then die!
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8270 posts, RR: 26 Reply 20, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10863 times:
In Germany there's a clear cut between official business and campaign flights. The chancellor can fly one of the government fleet aircraft on campaign trips but then the party has to pay for it by the hour.
They are cheaper off chartering from private contractors.
tayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10477 times:
Democracy costs money and Media in an election campaign is well... essential. If Parties are chipping in (and remember parties get cash from the taxpayer as well as their members / fundraising efforts) - so be it.