SLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 613 posts, RR: 2 Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3322 times:
Here is one of the more extraordinary time lapse sequences that I've seen. Sadly, it does not involve the shuttle in flight. It is pathetic, in my opinion that the United States has no manned access to space.
SLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2626 times:
Quoting eksath (Reply 4): Quoting SLCPilot (Thread starter):, in my opinion that the United States has no manned access to space.
It does.....and for significantly cheaper costs than per orbiter seat in $ and with better safety factor.
eksath, I enjoy your posts, and inside connections, but I disagree with you here.
There are hidden costs in that we do not have control over our contracted flights, and they're subject to being cut off. There are hidden costs in the loss of expertise in manned space launch systems. There are hidden costs in not having national pride and a high profile system to inspire both the public and the younger generations. These costs can be difficult to quantify.
I haven't looked up the data, but it was my impression that the US/Russian (+Soviet) safety records were about equal overall when it came to orbited seats vs. fatalities.
Ps. where does the name eksath come from ?
I don't like to be fueled by anger, I don't like to be fooled by lust...
eksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1330 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2506 times:
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Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 5): eksath, I enjoy your posts, and inside connections, but I disagree with you here.
Thanks. I think we should keep the discussion on the orbiters for another thread.
I will tell you that after spending about 13 years with all the orbiters, it is very very sad to watch that video as it brings back some sad memories.
I am in that video a number of times at the KSC side of ops all the way from the VAB to the taxi to takeoff
A very sad day and even looking back at it now being towed in LA is the hardest part of it.
Scott Andrews who shot that video is a friend and colleague with whom i have worked many a launch. His work is proof of his expertise. As the Canon rep for KSC, he has been very helpful in supporting my equipment.
While, Scott was shooting his masterpiece, i had some cameras out there too. Here is my weak attempt to catch the final departure of 105 from the VAB and the OPF area.