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Why Keep This Bird In Storage?  
User currently offlineAn225 From Israel, joined May 2005, 198 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5706 times:

Hello all,
I am not sure if this is a pure military aviation topic, but couldn't find a better place to post...

I saw this beutiful picture of a B-36J in storage the other day:


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It look in great shape which could make it a great candidate for aviation museum display. Yet, it is baking under the sun at Davis-Monthan AFB in storage.

Now, two questions come to mind:
1. Why keep this bird in storage and not give her a new home so people would view her?
2. Since other vintage aircraft are all around, what are the US Air Force policy on keeping its old and obsolete birds? do they think they will make any use in the future?

Thanks,

An225

[Edited 2013-11-29 03:41:19 by SA7700]

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15830 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

It looks like it might actually be at the adjacent Pima Air Museum.

The planes in the boneyard are all in relatively good shape and the planes at the museum are in relatively poor shape for museum pieces, so I can see the confusion. The odd parking pattern and variety of types in that picture makes me think it's definitely the museum.



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User currently offlinerwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5654 times:
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While it's darn unlikely a B-36 would ever be re-activated, every once in a while a really old aircraft does come back. Earlier this year NASA finished refurbishing an RB-57F (63-13295, originally built as a B-57B, 53-3918) that had been stored at AMARG since 1972. Now flying as a WB-57F, N927NA.

It's a bit hard to tell, but it looks like the B-36 in the photo is 52-2827, which should only make it a year or so older than NASA's "new" WB-57. (52-2827 was delivered to the USAF in August 1954, but I can't find the delivery date for 53-3918, but based on the serial number, the Canberra was ordered the year after the Peacemaker).


User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5549 times:
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I can't post the link at the moment but it's definitley the Puma Air Museum B-36. Puma is directly adjacent to Davis Monthan.


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5520 times:

Google Earth shows it is definitely sitting on the Pima Air & Space Museum property.

Davis-Monthan does have an 'exhibition row' of unique or high interest aircraft types that is part of the Pima tour of the boneyard.

Quoting An225 (Thread starter):
2. Since other vintage aircraft are all around, what are the US Air Force policy on keeping its old and obsolete birds? do they think they will make any use in the future?

The Air Force and the other services which have aircraft at Davis-Monthan have kind of varying policies as far as I can tell. They are reluctant to dispose of the last example of an aircraft, however there are many on 'Museum Hold'. But there are many more aircraft which should be preserved than there are museums or money to take.

EDIT - I should also add that there are more aircraft up for disposal than there are buyers. The supply of scrap aluminum, and salvaged aircraft parts, is quite full at this time.

Heck even scrap steel from ships is over supply/ under priced currently. The US Navy recently sold an aircraft carrier for one cent - but the salvage company has to move it to their yard at their own expense.

[Edited 2013-11-25 06:39:57]

User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5517 times:

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 3):
I can't post the link at the moment but it's definitley the Pima Air Museum B-36. Pima is directly adjacent to Davis Monthan.
http://www.pimaair.org/index.php

Edit:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 4):
Google Earth shows it is definitely sitting on the Pima Air & Space Museum property.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=pima+a...5651&t=h&z=17

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[Edited 2013-11-25 05:55:40]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5404 times:
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There is also an aerial shot of the museum (and the B-36) on a.net:


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7718 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Ah, my favourite ten-engined plane!

No matter where it is, I'm just glad it's still about.



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 7):
Ah, my favourite ten-engined plane!

No matter where it is, I'm just glad it's still about.

  

I love how it stands alone...like it's the centerpiece of the museum.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12868 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5245 times:
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It is indeed the Pima Air & Space museum. For some reason, that I've never bothered to question, the museum is listed here as being DMA, even though, as far as I know, it isn't connected to the base in any way. One of a.net's little mysteries.

But, yes. It's an amazing plane!

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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5182 times:

A favorite plane of mine as well, and got to see her 2 months ago when I was up near Dayton visiting family.

6 pusher props, plus 4 jet engines, makes you pretty unique. Then they try and have parasite fighter jet aircraft come out of your belly (XF-85 Goblin, RF-84 FICON) or clip 2 F-84's, one to each wing (Project Tom-Tom). Or add a second deck the entire length of the enormous plane and call it the XC-99.

They definitely were inventive back then  



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Keep in mind too that despite its outward appearances there is a good chance the airframe has significant corrosion problems due to the Alloys used in its construction.

Putting aside any jokes about it being built out of, "Unobtainium" it did get the nickname magnesium overcast for a reason.



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User currently offlineplanesofthepast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

Actually, the B-36 at the Pima Air and Space Museum is a nice restoration, at least from outward appearances.

I have several photos of the plane I took at my last visit to the museum posted at ...

http://www.planesofthepast.com/b36-pima-air-museum.htm

It is one of only four surviving Peacemakers, the others being at the Castle Air Museum in California, the Museum of the US Air Force in Dayton, and the Strategic Air Museum near Omaha.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7718 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 9):
But, yes. It's an amazing plane!

Ten engines, six of them mounted backwards, a mixture of jets and props.....the only thing that could possibly make it cooler is more wings!  



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 13):
Ten engines, six of them mounted backwards, a mixture of jets and props.....the only thing that could possibly make it cooler is more wings!

Four letters.
R A T O



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User currently offlineplanesofthepast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

For those who have not been to Davis-Monthan Air Force Base 's AMARG boneyard, or the Pima Air and Space Museum, here is my map of the area ...



I have more written about the boneyard at ... http://www.planesofthepast.com/davis-monthan-afb.htm


User currently offlinebuckeyetech From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

One of the better exhibits at the NMUSAF, with the open bomb bay doors. Does anybody know if any of the B-36's gun turrets survived other than the one on display at the museum? I know most B-36's had them removed during a modification to lighten their gross weight.


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A little off subject but why is this aircraft still in storage? Doing a little surfing, I dug up this link of a CASA 2.111. If it were to be restored at some point in the distant future, would you rather see it restored with Spanish Air Force markings, or make it look like a WWII era Luftwaffe bird?

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=10836



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3680 times:
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Quoting buckeyetech (Reply 16):
A little off subject but why is this aircraft still in storage?

- Lack of display space
- Not a historically significant type - at least from USAF perspective. CASA built with RR Merlin engines. Might be good trading material though.

Was it used in the filming of Battle Of Britain?



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User currently offlinebaileyncreme From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

oh!

zoom in all the way on the Google Maps link below.

http://goo.gl/maps/MojT3

Look close!

on another note....can I buy a used Navy F-4..?? Looks like they have a few.
Don't need to fly it, just want to sit in it whenever I'd like and dream!


User currently onlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12179 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

IIRC, 52-2827 is actually an RB-36J.

User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Quoting baileyncreme (Reply 18):
can I buy a used Navy F-4..?? Looks like they have a few.
Don't need to fly it, just want to sit in it whenever I'd like and dream!

There is a junk yard/ recycling center on the north frontage road of I-30 about 25 miles west of the Arkansas line outside Texarkana. Exit 213. He had a F-105 out front for at least 15 years. The USAF finally made him actually recycle the aircraft.

He bought another plane, I think it is a F-111, which sits there now - easily visible from I-30.

Start a search on the internet, you can probably find one available. The cost probably won't be high - but transportation to your home might be more than you want to pay.


User currently offlinerwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3028 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
IIRC, 52-2827 is actually an RB-36J.

I didn't think that any of the J's were built as, or converted to, R's.


User currently offlineboeingfixer From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
IIRC, 52-2827 is actually an RB-36J.

There were no RB-36J's. The only official RB's were the D, E, F and H. 52-2827 was completed off the assembly line as a B-36J Featherweight III and was never modified from this configuration and was retired as such.

Cheers,

John



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User currently offlinerwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2912 times:
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Quoting boeingfixer (Reply 22):
The only official RB's were the D, E, F and H.

I'm pretty sure there were a few (39, IIRC) B-36Bs fitted with camera pods in the bomb-bays that were called RB-36Bs for a while, although I'm not sure if that was an official designation. 64 of the Bs were converted to Ds, including seven Rs, although I don't know if there was any preference for converting the RB-36Bs to RB-36Ds (and most of the RB-36Bs did end up as B-36Ds).


User currently offlineboeingfixer From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Quoting rwessel (Reply 23):
I'm pretty sure there were a few (39, IIRC) B-36Bs fitted with camera pods in the bomb-bays that were called RB-36Bs for a while, although I'm not sure if that was an official designation.

There were indeed B-36B's with removable cameras in the bomb bays. They never received the official designation of RB-36B but at the squadron level they used RB-36B as a designation when the removable cameras were installed.

Cheers,

John



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25 jetstar : Here is a brief hietory of this B-36J, 52-2827 It was the final B-36 built, named "The City of Fort Worth", and loaned to the city of Fort Worth, Texa
26 KC135TopBoom : Actually it is an FB-111 with the longer wings.
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