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T-38 Or F5?  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13615 times:

Now I know how some people must feel who cannot differentiate a 737-300 from a -500.

I have the same problem with two military planes, namely the T-38 and F-5. I know they look very similar. How do you tell them apart?

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User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13479 times:

First of all if it is a one seater it is sure not a T-38.
I don't know any other vissible differences.
But: almost all T-38's are black or white painted, cause they are training aircrafts. And as much I know, no other country except the USA has got T-38's.

T-38:


F-5:



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User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13479 times:

One more aircraft which is very similar to the two above:


This is an F-20 Tigershark. The F-20 Tigershark was designed, built and tested by the Northrop Corporation in the early 1980's. Three prototypes were built, of which two crashed during sales demonstrations and one now resides at the Los Angeles County Museum of Science.Northrop invested $ 1.2 billion inthe F-20 before it was cancelled by the company after six years of sales attempts with no customer. The lack of success in sales were due to shifting political sands in Washington, and unrelated to the aircraft itself, which was the first to fully exploit the digital electronics revolution and was the most advanced aircraft of its day. (Text from http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MarkWade/f20top.htm)


Martin



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User currently onlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4182 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13469 times:

There is no difference between the T-38 and F-5 except that the T-38 is a two seater training version. It is a very very sweet trainer too. On your dollar ride they take you in a burner climb to FL450.


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13466 times:

Well no wonder I can't tell them apart:

there's no difference!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13468 times:

There are a few other ways to tell them apart.

In the T-38, the outer part of the inlets are angled, in the F-5 they are straight up then curve forward.

Unlike the F-5, the T-38 does not have wingtip tracks/hardpoints/fuel tanks.

Due to the 2 man cockpit (which is the best feature for telling them apart), the T-38s nose curves up slightly, while the F-5's (except for the RF-5E...but don't worry about that plane) nose is esentially straight.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13480 times:

T-38:
Germany, Taiwan, Turkey, USA


F-5:
Botswana, Brazil, Greece, Morroco, Norway, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, Venezuela, Bahrain, Chile, Honduras, Indonesia, Iran, Jordan, Kenya, Malaysia, Mexico, Singapore, Sudan, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Tunisia, USA, Yemen.


User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13460 times:

>Flyf15, you're right with Germany and Taiwan, I didn't know that. Now I searched for information and I found that the T-38 is also used in Singapore and Portugal. But the Turkey doesn't use them, they have got NF-5A Freedom Fighters (also the aircraft of the Turkish Stars display team).

Martin




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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13433 times:


Hi!

Just to add that although the T-38 and the F-5 look similar there are some differences. First of all the T-38 is always white, a colour used because it's a trainning aircraft, second is that the T-38 only have the chance to have 2 tip-tanks and the F-5 can carry weapons under and also in the wing-tips ( only the F-5E and F version with Sidewinders ). The older version F-5A and B looked quite similar to the T-38. The F-20 is a complete new design having just one engine, but... well we still can see some similarities. There was also a reconaissance version of the F-5 known as the RF-5, both the older ( A's ) and younger ( E's ), Malaysian Air Force was the last one to receive this version known as RF-5E Tigereye.
About Portugal, our Air Force received just after the revolution in 1974 6 T-38's to start the convertion to the F-5E that they should received after, latter another 6 T-38's came but the F-5E deal blew and the Air Force instead received 25 A-7P's Corsair's plus other 25 latter. The A-7P was a refurbished A-7A from the USNavy with a A-7E engine/avionics. All the A-7's where wfu in 2000 when Portugal received the brand new F-16A's. With the new trainning silabus also the T-37/T-33/T-38 where replaced by the TB30 Epsilon/Alpha Jet, so not any T-38 are left!!!
regards.


User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13438 times:


Somehow the front and the tail of this T-38 don't look white.  Laugh out loud
Great contribution, CV990.



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User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13401 times:

There are differences between these 2 planes.Both the air-intakes and the exhausts are different.
The F-5 has wider main gear tires and this means that the curve of the lower fuselage has a break in the air brake region on the F-5,whereas it is a single curving line on the T-38.
The F-5 can't fly unless it has at least a pair of launchers on the wing-tips.The T-38 has a different (longer?) wing and cannot carry any stores on the wing-tip.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13404 times:

T-38's are not white always...I've seen pics of T-38's in all black and also T-38's in grey camo...also isnt Portugal a T-38 operator?

Also, the biggest physical difference between the F-20 and F-5 is that the F-20 has one engine...

Greg



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User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1555 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13383 times:

Hi Fightingfalcon,I am afraid you're misinformed about T38s in Turkey,because actually Turkey uses T38 at 2nd AFB izmir,Cigli.This is the main jet training base where the AirForce pilots are trined.Turkey also uses F5 A/B/E/N models for advanced fighter pilot training.


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User currently offlineMikeN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13379 times:

A side note concerning the F-20 Tigershark....

I believe it was the chief competition for the F-16 Falcon. Also, I believe Chuck Yeager really pushed and pushed the U.S. government to purchase F-20 over the F-16.

Am I correct?


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13377 times:

F-20 was never in competition with the F-16. That was the F-17, which was later reeingineered into the F/A-18, my beloved Hornet.
The F-20 was a private development by Northrop in hope of getting a US DOD deal similar to the one they had gotten with the F-5 in the past for a cheap export fighter. When that deal did not materialise and everyone started buying F-16s like crazy, the project was shelved.
Mr. Yeager might have had a personal interest in the F-20  Smile It sure is not a bad aircraft, but range and payload are even worse than the F-16A block 10.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13373 times:

Mike,

You are correct in the fact that Chuck Yeager, really liked the F-20...it just came at a bad time...

Greg



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User currently offlineMikeN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13367 times:

Thanks guys!

I just remembered seeing some TV commercials for the F-20 with Yeager in them. Man, that was a long time ago!!!

Wasn't the F-17 called the Cobra and very similar to the F-18?


User currently offlineGloster From Canada, joined May 2001, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13376 times:

The t-38 Talon is simply a training airplane (see NASA t-38). Northrop decided after to make a good cheap fighter whit the f-5 for the vietnameses. Two canons, no radar, and possibility to put bombs and camera if you want. In Canada, the cf-5a was "the ultimate tactical airplane in seventies and half eighties" when it was bumping out by the f-18. I admit, it was a really gorgeous plane to see in flight.
A little story about that: A challenge will come in the 433 etac squadron in Bagotville Canada. Who will come whit more green on the wings and fuselage (literally read touch the woods!!!). The winner returns to the base whit
the half of is tail off!!! And of course, he was grounded for a time!
The f-20 tigersharks is the same mentallity for Northrop and we say in french about it: beau, bon, pas cher!
regards
jbl


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13366 times:


Hi!

Portuguese Air Force T-38's where WFU when our air force changed the trainning sillabus. Until the arrival of the F-16's and the Alpha Jets the trainning sillabus was:

TB30 Epsilon - Primary Training
T-37C - Basic trainning
T-33A - Advance trainning
T-38A - Advance/supersonic trainning

At that time the Epsilon and the T-37C where at BA1 Sintra and the T-33A and T-38A at BA11 Beja. Then Portuguese Air Force WFU the Fiat G.91R3/R4/T3 and received from Luftwafe the Alpha Jet and also got their first F-16A's so it was time to review all the trainning sillabus, then the review was:

TB30 Epsilon - Primary Trainning
Alpha Jet - Basic/Advance tarinning

All them are based now in BA11 Beja and so all the "oldies" - T-37C/T-33A/T-38A where WFU. the T-37C had some fatigue crashes, the T-33A was an old one, our air force had 3 ex: Belgium Air Force ones FAP 1928/1929/1930 and also some from their first/second batch from ex: USAF machines that arrived in 1953 and 1966, so it was quite obvious to WFU them too. Finnally the T-38 was no longer necessary when FAP received the F-16A and B's. So no T-38 fly now in portuguese skies now!!!
regards


User currently offlineIFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13369 times:

This upload adds some interesting info about the F-20 pic.


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Click here for full size photo!

Photo © AirNikon



User currently offlineMikeN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13303 times:

Here are some T-38's with unique markings.....

http://www.af.mil/photos/Jan2000/19990616-f-5385s-010.jpg


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