Fightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12138 times:
First of all if it is a one seater it is sure not a T-38.
I don't know any other vissible differences.
But: almost all T-38's are black or white painted, cause they are training aircrafts. And as much I know, no other country except the USA has got T-38's.
Fightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12138 times:
One more aircraft which is very similar to the two above:
This is an F-20 Tigershark. The F-20 Tigershark was designed, built and tested by the Northrop Corporation in the early 1980's. Three prototypes were built, of which two crashed during sales demonstrations and one now resides at the Los Angeles County Museum of Science.Northrop invested $ 1.2 billion inthe F-20 before it was cancelled by the company after six years of sales attempts with no customer. The lack of success in sales were due to shifting political sands in Washington, and unrelated to the aircraft itself, which was the first to fully exploit the digital electronics revolution and was the most advanced aircraft of its day. (Text from http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MarkWade/f20top.htm)
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4104 posts, RR: 38 Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12128 times:
There is no difference between the T-38 and F-5 except that the T-38 is a two seater training version. It is a very very sweet trainer too. On your dollar ride they take you in a burner climb to FL450.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12127 times:
There are a few other ways to tell them apart.
In the T-38, the outer part of the inlets are angled, in the F-5 they are straight up then curve forward.
Unlike the F-5, the T-38 does not have wingtip tracks/hardpoints/fuel tanks.
Due to the 2 man cockpit (which is the best feature for telling them apart), the T-38s nose curves up slightly, while the F-5's (except for the RF-5E...but don't worry about that plane) nose is esentially straight.
Fightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12119 times:
>Flyf15, you're right with Germany and Taiwan, I didn't know that. Now I searched for information and I found that the T-38 is also used in Singapore and Portugal. But the Turkey doesn't use them, they have got NF-5A Freedom Fighters (also the aircraft of the Turkish Stars display team).
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12092 times:
Just to add that although the T-38 and the F-5 look similar there are some differences. First of all the T-38 is always white, a colour used because it's a trainning aircraft, second is that the T-38 only have the chance to have 2 tip-tanks and the F-5 can carry weapons under and also in the wing-tips ( only the F-5E and F version with Sidewinders ). The older version F-5A and B looked quite similar to the T-38. The F-20 is a complete new design having just one engine, but... well we still can see some similarities. There was also a reconaissance version of the F-5 known as the RF-5, both the older ( A's ) and younger ( E's ), Malaysian Air Force was the last one to receive this version known as RF-5E Tigereye.
About Portugal, our Air Force received just after the revolution in 1974 6 T-38's to start the convertion to the F-5E that they should received after, latter another 6 T-38's came but the F-5E deal blew and the Air Force instead received 25 A-7P's Corsair's plus other 25 latter. The A-7P was a refurbished A-7A from the USNavy with a A-7E engine/avionics. All the A-7's where wfu in 2000 when Portugal received the brand new F-16A's. With the new trainning silabus also the T-37/T-33/T-38 where replaced by the TB30 Epsilon/Alpha Jet, so not any T-38 are left!!!
FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12060 times:
There are differences between these 2 planes.Both the air-intakes and the exhausts are different.
The F-5 has wider main gear tires and this means that the curve of the lower fuselage has a break in the air brake region on the F-5,whereas it is a single curving line on the T-38.
The F-5 can't fly unless it has at least a pair of launchers on the wing-tips.The T-38 has a different (longer?) wing and cannot carry any stores on the wing-tip.
Wing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1552 posts, RR: 24 Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12042 times:
Hi Fightingfalcon,I am afraid you're misinformed about T38s in Turkey,because actually Turkey uses T38 at 2nd AFB izmir,Cigli.This is the main jet training base where the AirForce pilots are trined.Turkey also uses F5 A/B/E/N models for advanced fighter pilot training.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12036 times:
F-20 was never in competition with the F-16. That was the F-17, which was later reeingineered into the F/A-18, my beloved Hornet.
The F-20 was a private development by Northrop in hope of getting a US DOD deal similar to the one they had gotten with the F-5 in the past for a cheap export fighter. When that deal did not materialise and everyone started buying F-16s like crazy, the project was shelved.
Mr. Yeager might have had a personal interest in the F-20 It sure is not a bad aircraft, but range and payload are even worse than the F-16A block 10.
Gloster From Canada, joined May 2001, 28 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12035 times:
The t-38 Talon is simply a training airplane (see NASA t-38). Northrop decided after to make a good cheap fighter whit the f-5 for the vietnameses. Two canons, no radar, and possibility to put bombs and camera if you want. In Canada, the cf-5a was "the ultimate tactical airplane in seventies and half eighties" when it was bumping out by the f-18. I admit, it was a really gorgeous plane to see in flight.
A little story about that: A challenge will come in the 433 etac squadron in Bagotville Canada. Who will come whit more green on the wings and fuselage (literally read touch the woods!!!). The winner returns to the base whit
the half of is tail off!!! And of course, he was grounded for a time!
The f-20 tigersharks is the same mentallity for Northrop and we say in french about it: beau, bon, pas cher!
At that time the Epsilon and the T-37C where at BA1 Sintra and the T-33A and T-38A at BA11 Beja. Then Portuguese Air Force WFU the Fiat G.91R3/R4/T3 and received from Luftwafe the Alpha Jet and also got their first F-16A's so it was time to review all the trainning sillabus, then the review was:
All them are based now in BA11 Beja and so all the "oldies" - T-37C/T-33A/T-38A where WFU. the T-37C had some fatigue crashes, the T-33A was an old one, our air force had 3 ex: Belgium Air Force ones FAP 1928/1929/1930 and also some from their first/second batch from ex: USAF machines that arrived in 1953 and 1966, so it was quite obvious to WFU them too. Finnally the T-38 was no longer necessary when FAP received the F-16A and B's. So no T-38 fly now in portuguese skies now!!!