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German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?  
User currently offlineSoren-a From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 235 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

Hi

I have often noticed that when the German F-4 Phantoms are landing they do so with the refueling slot open as you can see in these pictures:


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Anyone know why they do this??

Regards
Søren Augustesen


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User currently offlineMikeclod From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

I can't tell, where is the refueling port?
Mikeclod


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

I believe that it is that protrusion behind the rear cockpit about a third of the way to the tail...as for why...no idea...

Greg



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13206 posts, RR: 77
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

The F-4F was a lighter F-4E, a fuel tank was deleted as well as AIM-7 provision, and no in flight refueling receptacle.
The modernization delivered AIM-120 provision as well as new avionics, including an APG-65 radar. I'm guessing here but could in flight refueling capability have been added in as well, given the different circumstances the Luftwaffe now operate in, no longer being confined to Central Europe?
As this was not an as built receptacle, could it be that this modification is visible at all times?


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

My sources don't mention anything about deletion of the air to air refuelling. In fact, I have a 1984 vintage pic of onetaken form a KC-135. Granted, it is very hard to tell the difference between an F-4E and -F from above...

As for if the modification is visable at all times.. I would wager that if the recepticle was to stay open, they probably would not have even bothered to install doors on it.

T.J.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Whoopsie, just had a look at a cutaway drawing of an RF-4C, to see how the airforce AAR recepticle is set up. Ignore the comment above about the doors. I did check other photos of F-4F's in the database, and it seems the recepticle is closed in flight. The cutaway I was using before was that of an F-4M. Not too helpful for this question.

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2368 times:

Boy, I don't think you could deploy a phantom nonstop to the states without inflight refueling, or a hell of a lot of stops,

Especially if it is short one fuel tank.

Remember the Luftwaffe sends its crews to Nevada and Arizona to train.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Stops in Scotland, Iceland and Canada, plus a heavy load of ferry tanks L-188.


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User currently offlineCheshire From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

But doesn't the Luftwaffe have a squadron of F-4s permanently based at Holloman? Why the need for these cross Atlantic drags?

User currently offlineContact_tower From Norway, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Because the Holloman sqn is a OCU unit. You still need to exercise the operational units......  Big grin I'm not sure if the F-4s at Holloman are the same spec as German based squadrons eighter.

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