GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12715 posts, RR: 80 Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1953 times:
The F-4F was a lighter F-4E, a fuel tank was deleted as well as AIM-7 provision, and no in flight refueling receptacle.
The modernization delivered AIM-120 provision as well as new avionics, including an APG-65 radar. I'm guessing here but could in flight refueling capability have been added in as well, given the different circumstances the Luftwaffe now operate in, no longer being confined to Central Europe?
As this was not an as built receptacle, could it be that this modification is visible at all times?
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2739 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1924 times:
My sources don't mention anything about deletion of the air to air refuelling. In fact, I have a 1984 vintage pic of onetaken form a KC-135. Granted, it is very hard to tell the difference between an F-4E and -F from above...
As for if the modification is visable at all times.. I would wager that if the recepticle was to stay open, they probably would not have even bothered to install doors on it.
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2739 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1929 times:
Whoopsie, just had a look at a cutaway drawing of an RF-4C, to see how the airforce AAR recepticle is set up. Ignore the comment above about the doors. I did check other photos of F-4F's in the database, and it seems the recepticle is closed in flight. The cutaway I was using before was that of an F-4M. Not too helpful for this question.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29350 posts, RR: 62 Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1900 times:
Boy, I don't think you could deploy a phantom nonstop to the states without inflight refueling, or a hell of a lot of stops,
Especially if it is short one fuel tank.
Remember the Luftwaffe sends its crews to Nevada and Arizona to train.
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Contact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1816 times:
Because the Holloman sqn is a OCU unit. You still need to exercise the operational units...... I'm not sure if the F-4s at Holloman are the same spec as German based squadrons eighter.
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I'm not sure if the F-4s at Holloman are the same spec as German based squadrons eighter.
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