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C-5 Damaged In Baghdad  
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5386 posts, RR: 53
Posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

Looks like Iraqi insurgents nearly scored a BIG kill. A C-5 taking off from Baghdad International was hit by a SAM, damaging the #4 engine and forcing the Galaxy to make an emergency landing at the airport with (luckily) no injuries to the 63 passengers and crew onboard. Had there been more than one missileer, they might not have been as lucky.


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User currently offlineB6A320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Anyone know where it was from?? Probably Dover or Travis??? Seems like these guys are hitting wings or engines lately with the cargo planes. (the DHL A300, and the C-17.)

Justin P.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

http://www.af.mil/stories/story.asp?storyID=123006340

luckily nobody was hurt ..


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2921 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

Wings and engines would be expected to be hit by IR SAMs. Reportedly at 6,000 feet, around the same altitude as the DHL A-300. Seems to be getting near the max range for these MANPADS, 6000 feet up and who knows how far laterally.


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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Maybe its time to start escorting them in and out with AC-130'S or something. What can be done to protect our aircraft inbound and outbound ? Garnetpalmetto.. you have a disappointed tone in your post ??

Thank God no death



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User currently offlineContact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

The SA-14 Gremlin has max alt of 6000ft
The SA-16 Gimlet and the SA-18 Grouse has a max alt of aprox 11.000ft. Let's hope the bad guys don't get their hands on any of them.
(Seem to recall that the SA-7 was used in the attack filmed by the french journo)


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5386 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

I'm certainly not dissapointed the insurgents missed, AGM. I hope that the insurgency can either be rolled up rather quickly or will soon die out. Rather, I'm worried about this. You have to wonder how long the insurgents will stick just one missileer out there to take potshots...the guys are anything but dumb and I'm highly worried about hearing one day that they've taken out a heavy in a flurry of missiles.


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineDaren3006 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4629 times:

This topic reminded me of a question I've had for a while now. I'm not an expert by any means about military hardware but...I assume that military aircraft like the C-5, C-141, KC-10, KC-135 are no longer in production for the military. So basically if the Air Force has 62 C-5's that's it. If they are God for bid destroyed by such an incident as we had today then they would have 61 C-5's and it would not be replaced. Am I correct about this or if one of these aircraft were lost, would a new one be built to replace it?

My real question here is, is there a list somewhere that us civi's have access to that list the serial numbers of the entire fleet? If I'm correct that the airforce has a finite number of certain aircraft, then it would be feasible to keep tract of "our" fleets of aircraft via spotting or MilCom. I for example note serial numbers of the planes I see at airshows and keep tract of when and where I see them. In doing this I've determined that several of the same aircraft go from airshow to airshow year after year. One in particular that does this is the F-117. I've seen the same F-117 at three different airshows in the last year and a half.

Just a couple questions. Take care...all.
Daren


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5386 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

Am I correct about this or if one of these aircraft were lost, would a new one be built to replace it?

You're basically correct. In economic terms, there's something called economies of scale, meaning it's less expensive to build a lot of something than a little of it when it required specialized means of production. One of the reasons the Seawolf-class attack boats are so expensive, for instance, is the fact that there are only three of them..same goes for the B-2, F/A-22 and the C-5, for instance. If a C-5 is lost, since the production line is long shut down and even if it were able to be quickly reopened, the cost of just building one would be prohibitive.

As for you second question, Joe Baugher keeps some registration #s on his website at http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/, however, the "modern" A-Series is missing, the B-1 and B-2 are missing, as well as Cargo aircraft.



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Palmetto, I agree about the threat , much like the UH60 downed yesterday it can only take one "potshot".
They would have to build 2 C-17's to fill in the gap. Or bring some of the C-141's out of the desert . Has a C-5 ever been lost to hostile fire ?



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Hmmmm.

I want to say no.

I want to say that the only losses prior was the Saigon baby lift aircraft, and that one a few years back at Rein-Mein.


But my memory may be off.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

The C-5 lost in Germany crashed on takeoff out of Ramstien during Operation Desert Shield.

User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Outstanding record I would say. I dont know how many flight hours they log a year but I am sure its up thier. As spread out as our forces are around the world they probably make the rounds.




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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16860 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

They can always "un-retire" one of the C-5 "As" heading for Davis Motham to replace an aircraft should it be lost to accident or hotile fire, hopefully they will not loose any.


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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Daren, Joe Baugher also has a list of USAF serials that goes in chronological order (year by year) which can be found here: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/usafserials.html

Note the link on the page that lead to a list of BuNos (USN/USMC serials).


LY744.



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User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

An update on the C-5 that was hit at Baghdad. The missile impacted the #4 engine and damaged the pylon. The engine was removed and temporary sheet metal repairs were made to the pylon. The airplane was then ferried to Qatar, on 3 engines; the final repairs will be made to the pylon and an another engine installed.

User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

What wing or squadron was this plane attached to?



User currently offlineGunships From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

BROKE: Where are you getting this information from?


[Edited 2004-01-17 08:37:08]

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

Dover, I think......


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineCessnababe From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

This particular C-5 was from Travis, 22nd Airlift Squadron.

User currently offlineCessnababe From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

You may recall, an Airbus operated by DHL was also damaged by a SAM shortly after a take-off a couple of months ago. None of the crew was injured.

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

This particular C-5 was from Travis, 22nd Airlift Squadron.

oh yea, sorry, you're right.



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2921 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

The only injury due to a SAM attack was one of the passengers on the C-17 that got hit. Shrapnel penetrated the fuselage and also hit the #2 engine.


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User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Gunships,

My source was a Kentucky Airguardsman who saw the airplane in Qatar.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

I remember reading an excellent article on the C-5 many years ago in Air & Space Magazine (an absolute topflight aviation publication). One thing I remember is that many times systems would be out and in peacetime the C-5 had a pretty bad readiness rate ... but during wartime it has more redundant systems than practically any other aircraft flying. If I had to be in an aircraft that got hit by a shoulder mounted SAM, the C-5 might not be a bad choice. Especially since the troops sit facing the proper direction, backwards, which helps you survive a crash.

User currently offlineB747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Found out finally that the tail # was 85-0010 out of Travis.

Brian



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