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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

What is the Ranking of the largest Airforces in the World in terms of Aircraft.
regds
HAWK


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I think for years it was the PLAAF.

But a lot of those airframes where decidedly dated.



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User currently offlineEGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

PLAFF?

Regards..

Chris


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5422 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

People's Liberation Army Air Force. You know, China?


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

On the subject "dated" airframes I once heard the Chinese version of the MIG-21 described as the "most hightly refined obsolete fighter in the world."

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

PLAAF is still the largest.
Soviet used to be second, and might still be.
US is probably third (maybe second now, if they haven't cut back faster than the Russkies).



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

LMP737

There is something to be said for simple reliable equiptment, especially if you can get large numbers of them fielded.



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User currently offlineEGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

What is the main attack jet in the Chinese Airforce?

Regards..

Chris


User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

What is the main attack jet in the Chinese Airforce?

The Fantan.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/plaaf-equip.htm



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User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

You would think that Germany or Britian will be up there.

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5422 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I think that increasingly the Flanker is replacing the Fantan in that role though, Bobrayner


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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Jutes, the US, Russian and Chinese airforces have more aircraft of several types each than the Germans and British have in their total inventory  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Yes but how well trained are these Chinese or Russian Pilot's in their Mig's? How would they do in a dog-fight against a British-trained RAF pilot in a Tornado or a American pilot in a USAF F-16? It's a case of quality vs quantity.




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User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Yes but how well trained are these Chinese or Russian Pilot's in their Mig's

Trained enough to know how to take out a British-trained RAF pilot.

But I'm not sure about a USAF or Israeli pilot.  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Actually the flying skills of PLAAF pilots are so fine tuned, that they never accidently get themselves killed by colliding with EP-3 Orions.

A little less carelessness on the PLAAF pilot that died and the incident would never have happened.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

In case you forgot, quantity usually wins over quality if the numeric advantage is big enough.

That's the whole idea of the human wave attack which worked decently well in Korea and WW1, as well as in WW2 on the eastern front.

The only reason the bombing of Germany in WW2 worked was because the allies had a huge numerical advantage and could afford (though barely at some times) to loose 20% or more of the bombers on any given mission.

The Chinese have always fought the same way. If the US were to fight them in Asia there would be a hundred or more Chinese aircraft for every single American one.
You can have the best tech in the world but you simply run out of silver bullets before you have killed all the vampires and the remaining ones will simply overwhelm you.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

You are correct to a point Jwenting.

But even superior numbers can be overcome with determination. That is why the Chinese offensive in Korea eventually stalled and they where forced back.

But you have to be willing to suffer massive losses.

That being said, also it should be noted that the PLAAF has in recent years tried to upgrade it's equiptment, as we have seen with their purchases of SU-27 aircraft.

They also seem to be shifting from a quanity to a quality stratigy.



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Trained enough to know how to take out a British-trained RAF pilot.

Based on what? Facts or your opinion?





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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Where does the IAF [Indian Air force] rank.
regds
HAWK



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User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

According to Indian Defense Review: India had the 3rd largest army, 4th largest airforce and 5th largest Navy.

If only volunteer-based country's are included, then we have the largest in all 3, since India does not have compulsory military service.

-Roy


User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Based on what? Facts or your opinion?

I was just kidding.  Big grin


User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well according to the Cambridge Factfinder,

Combat Aircraft Rankings:

1. United States of America: 4,114
2. People's Republic of China: 4,107
3. Russian Federation: 3,180
4. Ukraine: 970
5. India: 849

So, Indianguy is shockingly wrong.

In terms of troops, the USAF has 370,300 men, India has 140,000. We have no draft, so Indianguy is shockingly wrong.

In terms of the Army, Indianguy is right, although the US Army would win in any battle with any nation, because we are more technologically advanced.

In terms of the Navy, Indianguy is wayyy off. The USN has 551,900 troops. The IN has 55,000. The IN has 44 submarines and large ships, the USN has 212.


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Mr. l1011: I did not claim it was my opinion. Merely repeating what I have read from the Indian Defense Review, a magazine published yearly. The same info s also published n the Manorama Year Book.

Also just number of staff isnt enough to compare. Shouldnt you take into account number of surface and sub-surface combatant units for the navy? And Combat aircraft for the AF?

As for the US being unbeatable, I am not contesting that! The Germans also were unbeatable in 1940.

Cheers.

Roy


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

As for the US being unbeatable, I am not contesting that! The Germans also were unbeatable in 1940.


Geeze, I wish I had a wav file of George C. Scotts opening speech from "Patton". It would sooo fit with that comment.

Now that being said, I personally feel that the US made a mistake from going from 18 Active Army divisions to the 10 we hae today. I think at least three of those need to be reinstated, with the appropriate personal gains.

I also think that there is way too much emphasis on "force Multipliers". Which is one of the reasons the us military is understaffed.



Lucky for the US, Pakistan is going to be keeping India occupied for quite some time  Big thumbs up




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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Lucky for the US, Pakistan is going to be keeping India occupied for quite some time

No kidding ? They must be really trying hard. I mean, all those nukes they sent out Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and North Korea surely couldn't have been meant for any other purpose than keeping us occupied eh ?  Big grin

The last time they picked on us they lost half their country, a third of their army (as POWs) and most of their navy in twelve daysBig grin



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25 L-188 : It's a question of priorities, Barfbag.
26 IndianFlyboy : L1011, The figures you got seem to be outdated more like 1994-95 figures . The Indian army has a strength of roughly 1.1 million.As far as the air for
27 HAWK21M : No Army,Navy or Airforce is Unbeatable.It all depends on the Situation & the Battle. I'm sure the Indian defence forces recruit on voluntary basis & n
28 L-188 : Us military....All volunteer since 73'
29 Jutes85 : although the US Army would win in any battle with any nation, because we are more technologically advanced. I did not see any victory parades after V
30 L.1011 : I never said "undefeated." Now, however, we are unbeatable.
31 Jutes85 : Now, however, we are unbeatable I would not say, "unbeatable", but definately powerful. But when you spend $380 billion dollar on defence, who would n
32 L.1011 : MILITARY BUDGET AS A PERCENTAGE OF GDP. 1. North Korea 27% 2. Saudi Arabia 12.4% 3. Israel 11.5% 4. Oman 10.9% 5. Georgia 10.2% United States 3.4%, be
33 Jutes85 : United States 3.4%, behind Zimbabwe, Vietnam, Singapore, Russia, Democratic Republic of Congo and Bosnia. No shit. The US makes WAY more money, theref
34 BarfBag : $ 14.5 billion ( 2000 ) - China The Chinese figure is grossly understated. There's no way they're keeping a force of that size on such peanuts, unless
35 Indianguy : Right on BarfBag! I have a clipping old issue of Time Magazine, which shows how the Chinese hide the true spending on their Armed Forces. Also the Arm
36 Post contains images HAWK21M : Democracy Matters.....Especially if you are the Worlds largest Democracy regds HAWK
37 L.1011 : For what Jutes, HEALTHCARE? Puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze. That healthcare doesn't do you any good when there are people dying in terror attacks no
38 HAWK21M : Im sure the US would have a lot of data on the Chinese aquired thru Sattelite Images & spies. regds HAWK
39 Post contains images Vio : I've heard that the US Coast Guard is the 8th largest Airforce in the world, in terms of # of aircrafts.
40 HAWK21M : Anyone having the breakup of Aircraft Models in the Airforce Inventory of Major Airforces or any link to a site having them. regds HAWK
41 Wing : In modern world air combat the more important is having more advanced technology and very good trained pilots rather than having lots of junk airplan
42 SXFAN : Merhaba and BRAVO to wing We (Greeks and Turks) know how to utilise our airforces with quality orientated purchases in equipment rather than quantity
43 Post contains images Wing : Kalispera SXFAN, Thanks to Mr.Sam(uncle of both of us) we spend a good amount of hard earned money for weapons -thus making American's lives better-
44 SXFAN : I totally agree with you Wing on your views about uncle Sam and our politicians I hope that in the near future we will be able to use all that money t
45 FlyboySMF2GFK : I'm not going to get into a pissing match but I'll submit that air-air combat is roughly a thing of the past for the U.S. battle planners. More enemy
46 Sovietjet : Russian pilots dont fly as much as their American counterparts but they are not so far behind in skills and being good pilots. Keep in mind that the R
47 Post contains images Fritzi : Aaaawwwww, I thought that Austria had the largest and most modern airforce.
48 Post contains images Prebennorholm : Fritzi, J-35 and F-35 are two different planes...
49 HAWK21M : Can one judge which Air Force is most powerful just by looking at the Fleet. I understand in a War,the outcome will depend on all the Wings of the Arm
50 N328KF : Sovietjet: Yes, that is why air forces employing Soviet tactics have been on the losing side of all of the major air battles since World War II. Excep
51 USAFMXOfficer : OK....I can stand it no longer. You are all talking about my PROFESSION so I have to get involved. I am a USAF officer and have been serving for 18 ye
52 Post contains images Vimanav : While fully accepting that the USAF is technologically way ahead of the rest of the world, the US - like in most other things that they are involved i
53 N328KF : Vimanav: I'm not going to respond to your cheap baiting attempt.
54 Vimanav : I'm not going to respond to your cheap baiting attempt. Dear N328KF Please do understand that others can have their own opinions which may differ from
55 Mapguy : >>"The Germans also were unbeatable in 1940"
56 Post contains images Christa : I would have to agree.. The Royal Air Force certianly helped stop the German advance over Europe and stopped the Germans from occupying the skies over
57 Ehvk : well i have a bit of a different idea about that, i think the Germans lost the BoB because there wasn't enough quality leadership. Instead of attackin
58 N328KF : Ehvk: Yes. The Luftwaffe had the most success when attacking the RAF directly.
59 Post contains links KEESJE : I'm worried about the military build up in Asia. US and Russia seem to have given up the silently agreed cold war policy of only providing downgraded
60 Dl021 : Well....the bigger the Indian military is the better off we all are as it gives the Chinese something to think about. The PLAAF is the largest airforc
61 Indianguy : US and Russia seem to have given up the silently agreed cold war policy of only providing downgraded weapons (in terms of radar, ECM, precision weapo
62 Post contains images N328KF : Indianguy: How about we shut up about arms sales to Iraq, huh? Based on data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (sipri.se) -- y
63 Post contains images Flyf15 : I once heard that the Confederate / Commerative Air Force ranks among the largest for air forces around the world.
64 Post contains images KEESJE : Downgraded weapons? where do your people get that kind of crap? Indianguy, not every mig21, mig23, F16, F15 is the same. I'm sure you know the differ
65 N328KF : KEESJE: Unless you believe the part about Hughes employees destroying the Phoenix seekers before they left Iran. (No direct evidence either way.)
66 KEESJE : N328KF, I believe thats more of a "feel good story" after this painfull event. Hundreds of Phoenix misseles were spread out over Iran, they even used
67 N328KF : Typical. Call bullshit on his point and he then diverts.
68 HAWK21M : With the Addition of more Aircraft regularily.Will the rankings stand constant or Vary. regds MEL
69 Atmx2000 : Much of the blame for the "arms race" in Asia should rest with America. America has shown itself to be thoroughly irresponsible as far as arms sales g
70 Atmx2000 : I'm worried about the military build up in Asia. Then maybe certain European governments shouldn't be so keen on selling miltary weapons technology to
71 Indianflyboy : MEL, ***Long post warning*** The thing is that calling an air force a large air force based solely on the number of aircrafts will not be an ideal way
72 Post contains images HAWK21M : Thanks Indianflyboy. Thats took a lot of paitence. Very well compiled. Were you in the Armed forces by any chance Why do the chinese rely on numbers.
73 Post contains images Indianflyboy : "Were you in the Armed forces by any chance" Well , yes and no ..... , thats all I can say Regards
74 HAWK21M : Well , yes and no ..... , thats all I can say Im Thinking. regds MEL
75 Liquid : Sorry this is from a while back in the thread, it just kinda bugged me: "Democracy Matters.....Especially if you are the Worlds largest Democracy" The
76 N328KF : Liquid: I believe that poster is referring that (in terms of population only, not area, GDP, whatever), India is the largest democracy.
77 HAWK21M : Thats Correct. The Reference was to INDIA,Not the USA. regds MEL
78 Sovietjet : N328KF - The Russian strategy and training is different...and it does work. Although the Soviets lost the war in Afghanistan, their tactics and strate
79 Sebolino : The United States is not a democracy. Oh yeah, the USA is a dictatorship then ? I don't know how many times I wrote it on that forum, but democracy an
80 DL021 : sovietjet...the Soviet system was set up the way it was due to the system behind the planners. They were required to limit the amount of information a
81 HAWK21M : Can the Ranking change in the future.Or is it unlikely to.Maybe in the next 25-30 yrs. regds MEL
82 Karan69 : Guys atleast for the Indian Airforce this is the best link possible www.bharat-rakshak.com follow the links to IAF The SU30MKK/F15K are a new chapter
83 USAFMXOfficer : Karan69 - I'll take the F-18E/F or the latest block of the F-15E over the SU-30MKI.
84 Dl021 : USAF Is that due to loyalty or because you think that the F-15 can defeat the R-77 at a distance and that the thrust vectoring hypermaneuverable SU-30
85 HAWK21M : The recent Two Air Exercises with the IAF & USAF told a different story. regds MEL
86 IndianFlyboy : DL021, The MKI's have not completed 300 Hrs as yet so no clue about the engine life, but the MK1's have no problems with the 300 hour limit, most of t
87 HAWK21M : Any more International [India] exercises due in 2005. regds MEL
88 Vimanav : The Su 30 MKI on the other hand is an enhanced version of the Su 37(Su 35 UB or Su 37 UB) The SU30MKI does not feature the canards which are typically
89 Post contains links and images IndianFlyboy : Vimanav, It does.... http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Current/Su-30/Su-30d1.jpg http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Current/Su-30/Su-30c1
90 HAWK21M : I know they are Classified secrets,but is there anyway to know the resuls of International Exercises. regds MEL
91 FRAspotter : I heard a little while ago that the USAF had a training exercise with the Indian Air Force. The USAF F-15s and F-16s had simulated "dog fights" with t
92 DL021 : indianflyboy...good to hear from you. I got that from an article I read recently that was discussing the SU's. It stated (I cannot remember if it was
93 Post contains links DL021 : ok...here is one reliable reference quoting Indian military sources. http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/nov/17ashok.htm Here is an interesting interview
94 Ozair : FRAspotter, it should be noted the specifics of the exercises that were conducted. Most US flights were in a four plane formations VS at least 12 airc
95 HAWK21M : How Effective are the Chinese AF against the best.Quality wise. regds MEL
96 DL021 : When it comes to the PLAAF one has to remember that quantity is a quality all its own. THey have been adding more modern fighters (SU-27, SU-30MKK) to
97 IndianFlyboy : MEL, The bigger problem with PLAAF is with the whole bunch of the MiG 21 copies they have. Like DL021 suggested it will be a while before they replace
98 HAWK21M : Would it be Economical to Mx such a Huge fleet. regds MEL
99 IndianFlyboy : Well they do have a large area to cover , the following was their fleet information : MiG 17 (F/PF) Manufactured by Chengdu and Shenyang (J4/J5): 1450
100 DL021 : THe most numerically important aircraft in the PLAAF is the MiG-19. It is also the most vulnerable airplane they have flying today. They really aren't
101 Post contains images IndianFlyboy : Thank God they are not flying the World War 2 surplus , imagine having a pack of 4 Su 30's armed to the teeth having to face 50 out ofthe 10000 odd Sp
102 HAWK21M : Are the Chinese variants manufactured under Russian Licence.Why would Russia give them the Licence apart from Comunist Comrade reason. Or are they jus
103 HAWK21M : Anyone having the latest breakup of Airforces in Units in the top 5. regds MEL
104 Sovietjet : The Mig-17 and Mig-19 were legal. the Mig-21s were made illegally I believe.
105 AirRyan : It's not about the size, but how you use it! Numbers are largely irrevelant when compared to it's total ability, and nothing stands comparable to the
106 HAWK21M : If the Chinese & US Airforces had to battle.Wouldn't the chinese numbers matter. regds MEL
107 HAWK21M : Whats the Statistics in 2005 as of now interms of Numbers. regds MEL
108 HAWK21M : Anyone Aware of the 2005 Statistics of Airforces. regds MEL
109 Post contains links HAWK21M : Just noticed something:- Link regds MEL
110 USAF336TFS : Cheap shot. And ignorant. For your information, technically speaking, The United States won every major battle in that war. And under the Johnson Adm
111 Jrw261 : People complain about the US's military spending and the size of our military but when a natural disaster hits some unknown part of the world... its n
112 Post contains images HAWK21M : Agreed.But there are other Armed forces as or more capable & doing just the same regds MEL
113 HAWK21M : Anyone having a Link to the Recent Updated Stats on the Number,Type countrywise. regds MEL
114 Post contains images CF188A : in regards to that comment way above... about quantity winning.... what have you been smokin? all it takes is one A-BOMB, how much power do they have
115 DeltaDC9 : Since someone tried to flame me by saying the US has abut 5000 fighters saying it was 2500, I tried real hard to find this thread. The numbers I rese
116 Columba : Germany used to had one of the largest airforce during the Cold War. I believe the German Air Force was the second largest NATO Air Force after the U
117 DL021 : No, they weren't....they were simply not opposed by anyone capable or willing to defeat them. The French could have pretty easily defeated them if th
118 AGM100 : This a question that always nags me as well. If the air force equipped with a high number of low tech aircraft were tactically intelligent it would b
119 AirRyan : Saudia Arabia is an oligarchic and theocratic monarchy which in many ways and certainly depending upon your own views (to include religious) can ofte
120 Post contains images USAF336TFS : Thank you for echoing my sentiments exactly. The ignorance of some of our well-meaning colleagues on a.net never ceases to amaze me. There is little
121 Tancrede : I am still surprise to see peoples dreaming awake while a country as small as Iraq is proving to become the worst nightmare that the US Army is going
122 AGM100 : How do you win a war when the enemies primary targets are thier own people?. The way to win in Iraq is pretty simple in my view. Kick the press out.
123 Tancrede : Your opinion on that is mine, but nerveless it is war. War is multiplicity with different tactical environments. Now, about the original statement, i
124 HAWK21M : Fighting a Hidden Enemy with no Uniform Among Civillian shields is a Very tough Job. regds MEL
125 11Bravo : I'm really glad that people like you who dream of the right-wing totalitarian state in America are nothing more than a tiny handful of crazed extremi
126 DeltaDC9 : It the rules of engagement were WWII style, it would be different. Do you have any idea how hard it is to fight a war and do as little damage as poss
127 DeltaDC9 : Wrong Revolution - England, overwealming forces defeated War of 1812 - England, same Civil War - ourselves WW1 - Germany WWII - Japan and Germany Kor
128 Tancrede : First, you can keep your ass for yourself. Then, I think you lack the understanding about what I was talking. It was since Second World War, not befo
129 DeltaDC9 : Alone? I dont think so. And no one wanted it, many felt it was nessecary. And dont try to act like France had nothing to do with it either. The middl
130 Tancrede : I do agree that Korean War was of the more traditional type of warfare. And you must recognize that it was not easy. But, Sorry, Vietnam was a typica
131 AGM100 : OK , Thanks Somehow you gathered my political /social views from a statement about limiting the press access to the battlefield. This is not to enabl
132 DeltaDC9 : Actually, there are about 12 countries participating. OK, I read that post you replied to, and I agree it was way out there. But you did take it a li
133 Post contains images Tancrede : Ok, peace I must recognize that I went a little far, but I must say that since I participate in this forum, that I love btw, I have enough of this peo
134 DeltaDC9 : Amen. Assume nothing is my motto. BTW, "winning" a war is a very objective concept. The fact France is still in tact does not correlate to it losing
135 Post contains images Tancrede : You are right.
136 Post contains links and images FlyUSCG : WOO HOO!!! haha. The U.S. Coast Guard website lists their inventory at 211 aircraft. However, I'm not sure that number takes into account the "J" mod
137 DeltaDC9 : And the Navy has the worlds 5th largest air force. The U.S. Air Force has plans to drop from 9000 planes to 7500, so I dont know where that puts it n
138 Dougloid : Shows anyone who'll listen that the P3 and the Electra before it are one hell of a heavy and well built airframe and the 501 Allison takes a licking
139 Evomutant : A long way back i know, but the English at Agincourt in 1415 with 6000 troops defeated the French Force of 36000, losing `only` 250 men in doing so.
140 HAWK21M : What works is a win. regds MEL
141 Baroque : Very difficult to "win" in that setting. And win here means that whatever you do leaves you in control, a day, a week a year after the action. That i
142 AGM100 : [quote=Baroque,reply=141]Which is why it is a good idea to fight some other battle that you can win. Agree, but I do not think that President Bush eve
143 Ant72LBA : Personally I think Bush made a mistake invading Iraq. Wait! Before you flame me I believed at the time it was the right decision, Saddam needed to be
144 Baroque : Funnily enough, the Bushism of MISunderestimated might be about correct. There was a major MIStake in the strategy and he (the Pentagon) underestimat
145 DeltaDC9 : That was tried in the 90's and the US failed to support it as promised when it came to a head, and heads rolled. After that, there was no real hope o
146 HAWK21M : Undoubtly an Airforce May not Win a War.The Army Normally Finishes it.But the Airforce gives the Desicive Edge in most Situations. regds MEL
147 DeltaDC9 : That is exactly what we did for 13 years. As for how long he could hang on, look to Castro.
148 Baroque : Well that 13 years was not a distinguished success as you suggest. One reason has to be that many large companies in most of the siege countries were
149 DeltaDC9 : ?????? Where did I suggest that? Of course it was not a success, why do you think the US lost patients? Conventional war, yes, nuclear war is mostly
150 Baroque : You didnt, and by omitting a comma (or better yet a semi-colon) I have to admit that it could be thought I said you did. Apologies. More better again
151 DeltaDC9 : No biggie! About the same as Clinton, but far better than Carter and not as good as Reagan. There you go, I said it.
152 Baroque : Not until after he said it! Off topic, or then again, given that 43 is the decider maybe not. And patience is needed to build an airforce, they dont
153 HAWK21M : Why so. regds MEL
154 HAWK21M : Anyone having the updated Stats as on 2006 on the AirForce Rankings in Numbers Fleet wise. regds MEL
155 Post contains images FRAspotter : No, that would be their navy...
156 HAWK21M : Any Current Ranking data available. regds MEL
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