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Why No US Planes For The IAF  
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

Why does the Indian AF not purchase US planes but still stick to the Russian models.
regds
HAWK


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User currently offlineContact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

I suspect that the US are not to keen on selling aircraft with full performance to India. I don't think India would get AMRAAM, but the russians will provide BVR missiles.

And then there is price and political will.......  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5325 times:

What Aircraft can US offer to India.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

In 1956 the US signed a friendship treaty with Pakistan leaving India with little option but to sign a friendship treaty with the other camp, the Russians which we did in 1971.

India also wanted the option to license build aircraft, as the first step towards indegenous designs. The Russians were far more willing to let India license build its designs than the Americans ever were! Starting 1965, India was manufacturing the Mig-21, then the top of the line fighter for the Soviets, at Nashik. Doubt if America has ever allowed any of its allies this kind of access.

In any case, military partnerships are built on trust. Americans are far less reliable as military partners. India should stick to tried an tested friends like France and Russia, or else stick to indegenous designs.

-Roy


User currently offlineEhvk From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

does India also have the new Sukhoi fighters like the Su-27 or other more modern versions of Sukhoi fighters? and else why don't they buy them in stead of american stuff i think there are some Sukhoi fighters wich are much superior to like the F-16

User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5305 times:

Europeans built there own F-16s. And I believe (not sure though) that Italians built their own F-104 and the Koreans will build F-15Ks. Japan built it's F15s and F4s and a variation of the F16.


So this statement is quite untrue: Doubt if America has ever allowed any of its allies this kind of access.


User currently offlineCbs5150 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

Europeans were licenced to build their F-16s (Netherlands, Belguim). The Italians built the F-104 ASA in 1985. That much is correct. However, the Koreans have never been licensed or have ever flown the F-15. They're licensed to build the F-16 under Daewoo. They dont' have the need for it. Their F-4s and F-16s and F-5s do just fine. The Japanese were licensed to build the F-15 under Mitsubishi in the 80's. And the Japanese haven't built an F-16, not that I'm aware. The Taiwanense built their own variant of the F-16, upgraded it and licensed it.

User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

The main problem with US weaponry is that the minute, India acts with its own mind, they'll slap an embargo on us thereby jamming any spares, replacements and other supplies during the ensuing period. Why buy a problem at a higher cost?

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

I read in the Red Star book about An-32 that it was specifically designed for
Indian demands, hot and high.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

The Japanese build a variation of the F-16, called the F-2. It's pretty much the same as the F-16, but about twice as expensive.




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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5224 times:


The wings have less sweep, and look a lot larger, the rear fuselage and tail are also different.

This must affect performance.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

P'd still call that minimal adjustment. Just look at the change in horizontal stabilizers between early and late model F-16As. The changes would be at most a different lettered subtype in the F-16 family.


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User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

Returning to the original post, the IAF does operate US aircrafts such B737-200s with the Communications Squadron.


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In the past, it has flown the C119 "Packets".
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Classic/Transports02.html

The B24 Liberators
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Classic/Liberator.html

And who can forget the DC3 "Dakota"
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Classic/Transports08.html

And of course the L1049s albeit they were ex AI.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Classic/Connie.html


regards,

Himmat




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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

You can add the B707 to that (though this too is ex AI) and the Gulfstream SRA-1 (VT-ENR).

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

Thanks Vimanav, I had overlooked the B707s and the Gulfstream.

regards,

Himmat



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

Thanks Folks.I forgot those old birds,Especially the DC3.
Are there any in operation in India left.I remember Airworks India had one DC3 until a few yrs back.
But regarding the New planes.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

No DC3s flying but several can be made airworthy.

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Looks like the US is going to be giving India a closer look at the F-16 (after the RSAF exercises). USAF F-16s are scheduled to make an appearance at the Bangalore airshow, along with some US helicopters.




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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Looks like the US is going to be giving India a closer look at the F-16 (after the RSAF exercises).
In return for a peek at the Sukhoi 30MKIs  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4881 times:

Europeans were licenced to build their F-16s (Netherlands, Belguim). The Italians built the F-104 ASA in 1985. That much is correct. However, the Koreans have never been licensed or have ever flown the F-15. They're licensed to build the F-16 under Daewoo. They dont' have the need for it. Their F-4s and F-16s and F-5s do just fine. The Japanese were licensed to build the F-15 under Mitsubishi in the 80's. And the Japanese haven't built an F-16, not that I'm aware. The Taiwanense built their own variant of the F-16, upgraded it and licensed it.

As has already been pointed out the Japanese are building a variant of the F-16. And the Koreans are getting the F-15K.


User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4871 times:


Which US aircraft would India buy assuming that it was available.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

F-22, B2  Big thumbs up
Realistically speaking,the F16s Def.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

Given the cost overruns on the F-22 program and the idea of reducing the production number, I don't know how the plane would be priced for export.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4779 times:
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I think that if the Indians plan on buying any more western aircraft of the current crop they would buy more Mirage 2000's and try to work a license production deal.

The F-16 would be a useful add, but would be somewhat redundant in light of the Mirage's. The two aircraft have similar capabilities and roughly similar costs.

Introducing the F-16 would render the Indians vulnerable to US sanctions the next time a war in the region over anything cropped up.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

the next time a war in the region over anything cropped up.

India and Pakistan are going to live happily ever after. In fact both have decided to settle mutual differences through cricket matches. Big grin

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 25, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

India and Pakistan are going to live happily ever after. In fact both have decided to settle mutual differences through cricket matches.

So we could soon buy houses in Lahore  Smile

Seriously speaking....Which Aircraft would the US be willing to sell INDIA.
regds
MEL




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