Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7702 times:
They're mainly historical.
At one point they were likely handed out in sequence, but many of the units have been deactivated or destroyed whole (in WW2 for example) and their numbers disappeared.
Once in a while an old unit is brought back to life, which can be quite a ceremony if that unit has a distinguished history, with the unit insignias being officially presented to the new unit commander after being taken out of storage.
So, originally the numbers had no meaning but over time many units have aqcuired a history which they are extremely proud of.
When a unit is deactivated and the number and insignia reused later that new unit will have to live up to that and feels it's continuing the proud tradition.
You get the idea lol...it's tough to keep it all in line. I rather prefer the Navy...the word "squadron" is used more to describe a squadron of aircraft...or a group of destroyers, etc...not little things...plus the numbers are smaller
N1641 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7396 times:
now I might be wrong but Im sure someone will correct me if thats so... but I think the AF used to have a number for Everything, I think thats why you saw some really high numbers like 4472nd window washers, these days we're all consolidated into 1 group, 88 ABW,88MSS,88OSS,88CEG
Lt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7371 times:
ChD you hit the nail on the cranium, Comstrattelmuelinknav.. what is up with that.
BTW, THe oldest Fighter squadron in the Air Force is the 27th Ftr Sqd at Langley, they will also be the first to get the F/A-22 frontline.
The flying Units numbers are all based on mainly history as noted above.
Other Units take the number of the parent Wing and/or group.
I.e. the 72 ABWing has the 72d Security forces sqd, 72d Services sd, Finance etc etc. The flying and test units will have different numbers.
It is a simple system Wing, Group, Squadron (then flights within Sqds most often). Example I am in the 552 Air Control Wing, 552 Ops Group, 964th AACSqd, etc etc. We are under Air Combat Command, 8th Air Force also.
Deployed Units will take Expeditionary unit numbers.
Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, Yankee Air Pirate
F4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7328 times:
USAF units went through a big reorganization back in the early 1990s. "Tactical" was dropped from fighter and airlift squadrons. Most all of the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves Groups were upgraded to Wing status. Strategic Air Command was dissolved into Air Combat Command for bombers and Air Mobility Command for tanker assets. US based C-130s were briefly in Air Combat Command which was a throwback to thier original assignment to ACC's predecessor, Tactical Air Command.
It would have been good to have had stock in a stationery store for all the letterhead changes. As a insignia collector, historian and photographer, it was a busy time for my hobbies.
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