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User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7944 times:
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Why do military jets make visits to pass. airports?
I saw an A-10 during a tour of CLE's tarmac/cargo area.


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User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Probably stopping for gas at whatever FBO has the government fuel contract. With the fewer military bases and shorter hours for their transient service, is cheaper for the military to use the commercial facilities.

Airlift planes may use civilian facilities if that is the closest place to pick up a local reserve unit.
Gary
Cottage Grove, MN



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User currently offlineNightHawk117 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7858 times:

I know of a few Reserve and ANG units that base out of civilian airports. For ex....Sky Harbor has a ANG tanker sq and BOI has a A-10 Reserve unit.


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User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7619 times:

FYI, fighters pilots do make cross country trips. For example, the F/A-18 that crashed at RDU was there for a fuel stop.

-Kevin


User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

At PDX. There is a F-15 ANG wing and a KC-135R AFR wing. Alot of Navy and Marine F-18's fly in and park at the FBO. There is plenty of room at the AFR ramp. I don't understand it either. Most of these planes stay a day or two also.

User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7579 times:

Could be a ramp space issue or hours of operation.


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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7579 times:

Training flights = Visiting family in the area, it happens all the time in Traverse City Michigan, especially in the summer.

[Edited 2004-04-12 07:09:09]

User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

Navy units seem to like to get away from the coast and fly inland. I never had a problem getting Navy participation for any airshow I have been involved with.

I used to go cross country a lot when I was in reconnaisance units. We could get training events, ie aerial photography, on strange low level training routes which was much better than flying the same routes with the same targets in the local flying area.

When I was in a fighter unit, I went cross country an average of once a year that wasn't connected with a unit training exercise. We usually needed a bombing range or military operating area to get events accomplished so not as many cross countrys.
Gary
Cottage Grove, MN



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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7495 times:

CGAS Traverse City has a huge hangar that houses 5 HH65's. They have a decent size ramp. That is where all the airshow participants park and sometimes use the Hangar. Whats funny is when there are visiting fighters that come in, a lot of times they park amongst the GA Bizjets and Cessnas and such. Very cool.

User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

Don't they worry about security? The security at many FBO's is pretty lax. I'd think, especially with the more expensive military jets, you'd want military-style security. For refueling or picking people up, this wouldn't matter but leaving it on the tarmac or a civilian hanger overnight would seem to be a risk...

User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

Security is very good at the high end FBOs.
Gary
Cottage Grove, MN



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User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

I'm not sure if you will ever see a "hot" (armed) military aircraft parked at an FBO. They will tend to park at a military ramp. Likewise, you won't see a B-2 or an F-117 sitting at an FBO.

PSM has dual FBO's, with one holding a military fuel contact, I believe. They will occasionally park unarmed F-18's and A-10's over there. If armed F-117's or F-15's are visiting, they will park on the military ramp.


User currently offlineWilsonjcobb From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

I'm guessing that like another poster said it's a ramp issue of whether the military uses the FBO or a Guard ramp. Here in Nashville I think transient A/C have to have reservations with the ANG before they show up on their ramp. Plus the Guard facilities might not have a fully staffed or properly staffed ramp personel all of the time. Usually the FBO's with the military contract are 24 hours. I remember a New Jersey ANG F-16 showed up unnanounced at the Guard ramp and they got a little frustrated. I was listening on the scanner and they were talking about sending him to the local contractor. I work for the local BNA FBO that has the contract now (after a 3 year absence) and when fighter or what have you are parked at the Guard we usually get the call to come down and fuel them. Speaking of security, please don't do the stereo type that you here in the opinion (news) channels. I know at my facility we are anything but lax in security. DOD aircraft are perfectly fine overnight at GA facilities.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7369 times:

YES......We see military aircraft all the time here in BNA. Along with the C-130's of the TN-ANG, we will also get aircraft in for fly overs at the Titans games and the Nashville Super Speedway........along with the weekend flights of the ANG, Marine Reserve and Naval Reserve crews getting their monthly flight hours in.

Dooh, Wilson...I didn't see that you where here in BNA until just now..!! Small world.



[Edited 2004-04-18 05:01:43]


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User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

A buddy that was in the Naval Reserve would get picked up on Friday and dropped off on Sunday evening at the FBO in Louisville. He drilled at NAS Andrews. It allowed the crews to do something more effective than just pattern work for their proficiency and the squadron to draw from a larger population base away from the coast. When the shuttle couldn't make it, they did equivalent training at a local armory.
Gary
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User currently offlineNCTR From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 38 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7228 times:

Well, we once had a Navy F-18 visit ATL and it was here for a Delta employee's retirement party. It was just after Sept. 11th and I was glad to see it here in ATL. Here is a couple photos I made of the aircraft. If you click on the reg # link, you can see all the ones I uploaded. Gregg

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User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

We get this up here in Canada as well on occasion


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User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

My unit flew out of Edmonton International at Maple Flag a few years back. There was no ramp space available in Cold Lake. Edmonton was a nice place to photograph between flights and the folks were very hospitable.
Gary
Cottage Grove, MN



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6588 times:

Quoting Cloudy (Reply 9):
Don't they worry about security? The security at many FBO's is pretty lax. I'd think, especially with the more expensive military jets, you'd want military-style security. For refueling or picking people up, this wouldn't matter but leaving it on the tarmac or a civilian hanger overnight would seem to be a risk...

- During the Memorial Day Weekend, military fighter jets park at night at Raytheon FBO at IND, usually off on the remote parking area in plain sight of almost anyone (including the tower). If someone wanted to get to those jets, they would have to go over razor wire. And these jets are occasionally the ones that do the fly over for the Indy 500.



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3144 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

My FBO had the military contract at STL. We'd see a ton of F-18s and 15s, I guess they wanted to come home and be back at their place of birth. As stated, with many bases closing it's a more viable option. There are also tons of restrictions to getting a slot at a base. We often had unannounced aircraft that met unforcasted headwinds or something like that.


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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

At a military base Transiet alert most if not all are civilian contractors, they sign usually 10 year contracts with it coming up for revision every October .
Pilots usually have to call ahead usually a week beforehand or at least 24 hours to be able to land and have personnel there to handle their jet.If after hours and if you are important enough for the defense of the nation you could get overtime approved. At KTIK the TA used to handle over a 1000 jets a month in the early 80's when most guard and reserve units had fighters and a lot of them just to land and go to the snack bar and get the world famous Tinker Burger. Now it is considered a busy month if we have over 200. Being right in the middle of the country we still handle a lot fighters usually on the way to Fallon or Nellis. If POL is not swamped we can turn a fighter in less than 30 minutes and most pilots like that, I guess at the FBO's they get better service with a pretty young thing driving them from the acft to operations to refile with decent food than a vending machine if they are at a military base.
For all pilots who fly thru KTIK, try to be down before 2315 (T-1 jockeys)or my boss will get real surly with you and don't even think about a quickturn unless you personally get our overtime approved and to all you F-18 pilots who come thru if we say your hyd fluid quantity is low its low. We really like repeat customers and won't let a F&%$ed up acft leave the ground.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

NCTR, you're sure that Hornet pilot wasn't there hand-carrying in his resume?  Wink

We have F/A-18's, T-45's, C-2's, all sorts of Navy jets overnight at Cecil Field....they have no problem parking on the FBO ramp. The Air Farce showed up the other day with two T-37 Dogwhistles, they insisted that they park on the fenced in military ramp (coast guard/army guard) for protection of their jets. What a big asset to protect, huh?

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6285 times:

It's posted right there over the door in base ops:

"Thou shalt not overfly El Paso on any cross-country flight."

The food is always better at civil airfields. You are treated better by FBO staff than by bored, annoyed military personnel. You are just another transient at a base, you are a hero at a small civil airfield, a skygod in nomex.



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User currently offlineCitjet From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6171 times:

At our FBO we have had the following: F-15's, 16's, 18's, 14's, S-3 Vikings,
P-3 Orions, A-6's, EA-6B's, Hawkeyes, COD's, C-17's, C-5's....Canadian Hornets, C-133's, Blackhawks, Nighthawks, Seahawks, Jayhawks, T-2 Buckeyes, A-37 Dragonflys, ...................that is about all I can remember for the moment. And yes, we hold the issue if security very seriously. Our jobs are on the line if we don't.
Someone mentioned that the local guard ramp is available for these. Well, the crew's tell us that it is like booking a hotel room with the Airforce in advance in order to use their facility. But with us, our convenience is just a phone call away.

Oh yea, C-130's, KC-135's, EC-130's, C-130 Gunships (had a tour of one AWESOME) CH-47's, Heueys, the occational Apache. Wow, that is more than many would have thought.


User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5904 times:

Here at TUS, we have the Arizona ANG. They are the largest ANG unit in the states and the only one that does training for foreign military sales. Your country buys F-16s, your pilots come here for the training included in the sales package. Nothing like making your way out to the departure runway and seeing a formation of four F-16s departing.


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25 F4wso : I have had several Tinker burgers in 80s. It was always a great friday night stopover or a quick turn on saturday. My last time transient there was J
26 Post contains links Bluewave 707 : Hickam AFB (HIK) and Honolulu Int'l (HNL) share the runways, though I have yet to see any USAF aircraft park on the FBO side of HNL. Occaisionally, a
27 Post contains images Propatriamori : Hey Slam, That sounds about right from all the military traffic we see over at Cutter aviation and Superior in ELP. We've probably seen just about eve
28 ValkyrieRamp : Judging by the wistful looks from some of the commericial pilots it's also true at us semi-big airfields (MDW).
29 C5onknees : we get F-18's, Blackhawks, F-16's and alot of other stuff here at SAV. I was taxiing pass signature yesterday and Hornets were there. We get C-130's a
30 Post contains images DeltaGuy : Hornets at SAV huh? Why do business with Signature when you can go over to MCAS El Toro and go to the O'Club instead? DeltaGuy
31 F4wso : Do you mean Beaufort? El Toro is on the other side of the country and I think it is closed. O clubs aren't what they used to be. Gary Cottage Grove, M
32 Spartan13 : I had always wondered the same thing about the military guys stopping at the FBO for fuel instead of going to the military ramp when it was just down
33 SATL382G : I gotta wonder what that cookie costs the taxpayer.....
34 Efohdee : Go to Florala, Alabama 0J4 Nothing but jet fuel for the local military pilots. Fill up and get free barbeque!!!
35 Wilsonjcobb : Not to mention that an FBO can probably quick turn a couple of Mil transients quicker than a Guard facility. Matter of fact our FBO (Signature, BNA)
36 Post contains links and images USAFHummer : Here's a photo I took about a year ago of some T-38's parked at a civilian ramp at CHS...doubly interesting since CHS is both civilian and military, s
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