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User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7741 times:

Just had some questions regarding air force one. How long has this one been in service? Is it true there is another one painted just like it and that it travels along with two other 747s? (Read in some book)

Maybe not likely in the near future, but how long do you think it will take for it to be replaced? And if so, what aircraft would you think it would be replaced by? T7? 7E7?

KdX

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User currently offlineCRJDispatchKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 99 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7657 times:

I can only answer your one question for certain. There are two "Air Force Ones". The tail numbers are 28000 and 29000. Both are identical as far as I know. Not to sure how old they are and if/when they'll be replaced. I imagine that they'll be around for awhile.


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User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

I don't know when the two VC-25s originally rolled off of the assembly line, but they underwent modifications for quite a while before entering service. Which the did sometime around 1990, during the administration of G. H. W. Bush. considering how long the VC-137s stayed in front-line service it will be a while before they are replaced. As for the other aircraft that look similar and follow the President around, those would the the E-4 "NECAP(sp?)" airborne command center airplanes. Though these aren't as important as the used to be, because the VC-25s have most of the command post capability.

By the way the E-4s used CF6-50s and the VC-25s use CF6-80s. You can tell the difference because the -50s are significantly longer than the -80s.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7562 times:

How long has this one been in service?

The current VC-25's have been in service since about 1988? I know the first president to have the 747's was George H. Bush. They were also the last 747-200's off the line and feature the upgraded engines of the 744.

Maybe not likely in the near future, but how long do you think it will take for it to be replaced?

The aircraft are kept in immaculate condition so they could easily be opperated for another 20 years.

And if so, what aircraft would you think it would be replaced by? T7? 7E7?

I think someone says this every time an AF1 replacement thread starts, so it might as well be me- NOT AN AIRBUS

It could easily be a twin, I doubt the USAF buys the 4 engines 4 longhaul crap. A 7E7, 777, 747-Adv? Who knows....

Regards,
DFW


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

A great book on this subject is Air Force One by Von Hardesty order from bn.com and it is discounted


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User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

Thanks everyone for their responses.

KdX in TLH


User currently offlineMontanaFL From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

A great book on this subject is Air Force One by Von Hardesty order from bn.com and it is discounted

Finished reading the book about a month ago. Very interesting as Von Hardesty takes you through a history of travel for the majority of US presidents going back to George Washington. I purchased the book for only the air traveling presidents, but interesting none the less.

My last TDY in the AF was protection of AF1 where I also got a top/bottom, front/back tour just before G.W. Bush flew out. WHAT A PLANE.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7449 times:

MontanaFL

I agree it is a GREAT read and enjoyed the early information on the Presidents travel including the train travel and all. Also the early planes and even the PanAm flights as well.



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User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7438 times:

MontanaFL,

WOW! I bet that was awesome? What was it like? (I know it's a really broad question)

I know the top is all communications right? How about the pres. office and all that?

BTW, does he have a shower in his bedroom? Someone once mentioned here that no airliner has a shower on board for a number of reasons.

KdX in TLH


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7378 times:

It would be awesome to see Airbus345 as AF1 Big grin
Cheerio

Michael//SE



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7259 times:

Great info all. For the record, the E-4s (4 of them) are known as NEACP (National Emergency Airborne Command Post) and pronounced "Kneecap".

And there is normally a galaxy or the like flying around behind (actually it lands way before) AF1 also. It carries the limos.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineMontanaFL From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

Komodox - yes there is a shower. It is not a combo tub/shower. Full bathroom facilities. Also, from what I was told, the first a/c to have 2 functioning burner stoves for preparing meals. The office is what you see in the book. Nothing special about it. The bedroom is located at the nose of the plane with two couches that can be pulled out for twin sized beds. There is even a medical room with a table in the cabinet and a fridge for carrying blood if need be. You can read this in the book but it was cool to see.The book shows the med room as being at the front of the a/c but is not. We had to wear shoe covers so we wouldn't "contaminate" the carpet. Didn't get to go all the way into the cockpit as the crew was preparing the plane for departure. Pres G.W. Bush showed up about 45 mins later. There are a number of TV (25 inch if I remember correctly) located throughout the and VCR's up stairs for movies. A different movie can be played for each tv or same movie for all. The movie AF1 did it SOME justice but not all. There is NO escape pod.

Starlionblue - When I was stationed at RAF Mildenhall 89-91, NEACP was kept there while the president was in Europe. I think we had it there 2-4 times over a 2 yr period. Never got a tour of that though.

Seeing and going aboard AF1 was one of 2 highlights of my 4 yrs in the AF. The other was seeing, guarding and watching fly the SR-71 at RAF Mildenhall. Hated to see that bird leave.



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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7167 times:

AF1 is simply the designation for whatever plane the President is on. If it's a helecopter, it's "Marine 1". Of course, you are asking about the plane that is often USED as AF1.


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

It would be awesome to see Airbus345 as AF1...My heart skipped a beat. That would be a slap in the face.

User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

"It would be awesome to see Airbus345 as AF1...My heart skipped a beat. That would be a slap in the face."

I could see John Kerry doing it. He wants us subservient to Europe in all other ways... why not?



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User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7068 times:

InnocuousFox,
I think that is pretty obvious to all of us.

MontanaFL,

Great stories, I didn't know they also had a stove. How long ago where you in the USAF?

KdX in TLH


User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7047 times:

The old AF1 707 at the Boeing Museum of Flight has a stove.

User currently offlineMontanaFL From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7044 times:

InnocuousFox - I am referring to the 747 used primarily for air transport for the president - tail # 28000. I do know that if he were in a C-172 it would be called AF1 if it were AF equipment.

I DO agree with you about the Airbus 345. Kerry would want "us subservient to Europe in all other ways" and the UN NOT that I want us above them.

KdX - 4 yrs during the first Pres Bush admin. Glad I got out when I did. My cousin was in the Navy just before I got out and refers to it as "the dark times" for the military.



I miss those DL L-1011's
User currently offlineMontanaFL From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

SupraZachAir - I did not know that. Maybe the AF guy that gave us the tour of AF1 was referring to AF1 and not that particular a/c.

I want to get up to the AF museum in Dayton and see the others that are kept there. I still havent had the chance to get up to IAD and see the new Smithsonian air & space



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5327 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6835 times:

So before this evaporates into a political discussion, let me turn it back to the topic. The two VC-25s were delivered to the USAF in 1990. Also, InnocuousFox made a misstatement when he said "whatever plane" the president is on is Air Force One. That only holds if the president is on a plane owned and operated by the US Air Force. When President Bush flew to the USS Abraham Lincoln, for example, the S-3B Viking that he was on was designated Navy One. Similarly, if the President was on a US Army UH-60, it would be Army One. Should the president be on a non-military owned aircraft, it is Executive One.


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User currently offlineERJ From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6775 times:

Garnetpalmetto: You just answered a question I've had for a while about if the President was on an a/c of another branch. I've never thought about non military... Executive One. Good info!

I don't know if it's there any more, but the Presidential Air Wing Exhibit at the USAF Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB is pretty awesome. I highly recommend it. I was there a few years ago. It's a journey through the history of Presidential Aircraft. From FDR through to modern day. Of course the highlight is JFK's VC137, the one that carried his body back from Dallas. You can walk through that one.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6767 times:

It could easily be a twin, I doubt the USAF buys the 4 engines 4 longhaul crap.

They do. Wholeheartedly.

You will likely never see a presidential transport with 2 engines. They cannot afford a diversion to an "unclean" airport with only a few hours notice.

N


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6625 times:

Also at Pima Air Museum in Tuscon, there's a VC-118 that served in the Presidential fleet and open for walk-throughs:

http://www.pimaair.org/Acftdatapics/dou_dc6.htm

Greg



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User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

I got to see one of the current AF1's at McConnell AFB in Wichita before delivery. It didn't had a large tarp or cover over the midsection. I remember at the time thinking it was quite an aircraft. I'm pretty sure it was in 88 or 91. One of the other aircraft that served is supposed to be at the Museum of Flight at BFI, but I haven't gone over to look at it yet. Although, any aircraft the president flys in is called AF1, regardless of the aircraft. I worked at a regional airport in the 90's when a Gulfstream flew Clinton in. As a sidenote, Marine 1 flew in a day before and flew him to his engagement the day he came in.

There's a lot of good stories around AF1. When Nixon or Carter left office (I can't remember which) power was transferred while he was in flight. The pilot called and changed the callsign from AF1, to the regular Airforce callsign of that aircraft.



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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

You will likely never see a presidential transport with 2 engines. They cannot afford a diversion to an "unclean" airport with only a few hours notice.

Gigniel,

Sorry to "pick the fly shit out of the pepper", but don't forget, the President does fly on the C-9 on occasion. I may be wrong, but I think I've even seen him stepping off the C-32 (757) as well.


25 Komododx : What is the "flight" called when the VP is in? AF2? What about the first lady? Btw, Mrs. Bush was here in TLH about two weeks ago for what I think was
26 Post contains images Garnetpalmetto : Indeed, if the VP was the highest ranking Executive Officer onboard a USAF aircraft it'd be AF2. No special callsigns for the First Lady or anyone els
27 Komododx : Garnetpalmetto, Yeah I saw that thread too, it was a gulfstream right? Btw, is the 75' pretty much the same as AF1 inside regarding communications, de
28 J.mo : Two quick corrections. First, back during the 90's President Clinton was going to Jackson Hole, WY. He flew the 747 to Hill AFB, UT and then the 757 f
29 Jbmitt : What is kept in the cargo hold of Air Force one? Is it essentially another floor, is there storage for baggage. I can't imagine that they need space f
30 Garnetpalmetto : JBMitt, they need more space for baggage than you realize. It's not JUST the president onboard, but the president, their aides, any other dignitaries
31 Komododx : Do any of you know about how many reporters usually travel along? And how are their seats? Any good pitch? KdX in TLH
32 Komododx : I was reading this morning on CNNtogo about Cheney's tour in Asia. What a/c is he and his entourage using? KdX in TLH
33 L-188 : You will likely never see a presidential transport with 2 engines. How many motors does a VH-3 have? But more correctly Ike when he went to Korea was
34 Cadmus : I just picked this up on the BBC News website. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Royal planes may lose Union Jack Plan
35 Komododx : Cadmus, thanks for the info. That sucks though! I would think trying to "hide" the Queen from any terrorists is like letting them win, that is why i w
36 Post contains links and images Cadmus : I'm not aware of the specific countermeasures on 32 Squadron's aircraft, but as the photos below show, the 146's have pods fitted either side of the r
37 Post contains links and images PPGMD : Cadmus, Those pods appear to be IR jammers. Appears to be a different model from what the USAF fields though, so I can't say for sure. You can get a b
38 Cadmus : PPGMD - Thanks for that, I hadn't noticed the one above the APU before. I've done a bit of reading, and according to the 'Encyclopedia of World Milita
39 Prebennorholm : When Bill Clinton visited Copenhagen, then he arrived on both VC-25As (28000 and 29000) plus three C-5s. The C-5s carried three VH-3s plus limos and a
40 PPGMD : ...very heavy looking vehicle with black windows... Might that have been the Ford Expedition that they use? I guess you don't see too many of those on
41 Post contains images IMissPiedmont : Just as added info, the 2 VC-25As are as follows: 82-8000 is msn 23824/ln 679 ff May 16, 1987 del Jul 1990 92-9000 is msn 23825/ln 685 ff October 29,1
42 PPGMD : Actually Bush 41 was able to use the VC-25's but only for a few months until Clinton came into Office. I remember seeing the video during which Presid
43 IMissPiedmont : Bush Sr did indeed tour the VC-25, he just never flew in it as president. They both became operational after the inauguration of Clinton.
44 Post contains links PPGMD : From the USAF Fact Sheet: The first VC-25A -- tail number 28000 -- flew as "Air Force One" on Sept. 6, 1990, when it transported President George Bush
45 IMissPiedmont : Oh my, I'm wrong again. Oh well, it's not the first time and it only gets worse as I grow older.
46 Advstol : As stated in the 'hobby' section of this fourm, I am gathering information on AIR FORCE ONE to build a 1/7th r/c flying model of this aircraft and I a
47 HaveBlue : Don't feel bad IMissPiedmont. I could have swore that I've read that Bush Sr. signed for the the 747 to become AF 1 but that Clinton was the first to
48 L-188 : I wasn't aware of any CH-53's in VIP service. Only the SH-3, UH-1 and UH-60 based platforms.
49 Refueler1974 : Does anyone know why they chose a B742 instead of a B744 for AF1??
50 Komododx : I figure 'cause at the time their only choice was a '42. But it has upgraded engines right? PPGMD, I would figure it was not an Expedition but a Tahoe
51 Garnetpalmetto : Yes, Komododx - the VC-25s operate with the same engines as a 744.
52 Post contains links and images DB777 : President Clinton was inaugurated on January 21, 1993, so President George H. W. Bush flew many times on the VC-25A between September 6, 1990 and the
53 PPGMD : I wasn't aware of any CH-53's in VIP service. Only the SH-3, UH-1 and UH-60 based platforms. I did some checking the White House does indeed have not
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