Komododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8283 times:
Just had some questions regarding air force one. How long has this one been in service? Is it true there is another one painted just like it and that it travels along with two other 747s? (Read in some book)
Maybe not likely in the near future, but how long do you think it will take for it to be replaced? And if so, what aircraft would you think it would be replaced by? T7? 7E7?
CRJDispatchKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 99 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8199 times:
I can only answer your one question for certain. There are two "Air Force Ones". The tail numbers are 28000 and 29000. Both are identical as far as I know. Not to sure how old they are and if/when they'll be replaced. I imagine that they'll be around for awhile.
Phollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8133 times:
I don't know when the two VC-25s originally rolled off of the assembly line, but they underwent modifications for quite a while before entering service. Which the did sometime around 1990, during the administration of G. H. W. Bush. considering how long the VC-137s stayed in front-line service it will be a while before they are replaced. As for the other aircraft that look similar and follow the President around, those would the the E-4 "NECAP(sp?)" airborne command center airplanes. Though these aren't as important as the used to be, because the VC-25s have most of the command post capability.
By the way the E-4s used CF6-50s and the VC-25s use CF6-80s. You can tell the difference because the -50s are significantly longer than the -80s.
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1066 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8104 times:
How long has this one been in service?
The current VC-25's have been in service since about 1988? I know the first president to have the 747's was George H. Bush. They were also the last 747-200's off the line and feature the upgraded engines of the 744.
Maybe not likely in the near future, but how long do you think it will take for it to be replaced?
The aircraft are kept in immaculate condition so they could easily be opperated for another 20 years.
And if so, what aircraft would you think it would be replaced by? T7? 7E7?
I think someone says this every time an AF1 replacement thread starts, so it might as well be me- NOT AN AIRBUS
It could easily be a twin, I doubt the USAF buys the 4 engines 4 longhaul crap. A 7E7, 777, 747-Adv? Who knows....
MontanaFL From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8012 times:
A great book on this subject is Air Force One by Von Hardesty order from bn.com and it is discounted
Finished reading the book about a month ago. Very interesting as Von Hardesty takes you through a history of travel for the majority of US presidents going back to George Washington. I purchased the book for only the air traveling presidents, but interesting none the less.
My last TDY in the AF was protection of AF1 where I also got a top/bottom, front/back tour just before G.W. Bush flew out. WHAT A PLANE.
MontanaFL From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7756 times:
Komodox - yes there is a shower. It is not a combo tub/shower. Full bathroom facilities. Also, from what I was told, the first a/c to have 2 functioning burner stoves for preparing meals. The office is what you see in the book. Nothing special about it. The bedroom is located at the nose of the plane with two couches that can be pulled out for twin sized beds. There is even a medical room with a table in the cabinet and a fridge for carrying blood if need be. You can read this in the book but it was cool to see.The book shows the med room as being at the front of the a/c but is not. We had to wear shoe covers so we wouldn't "contaminate" the carpet. Didn't get to go all the way into the cockpit as the crew was preparing the plane for departure. Pres G.W. Bush showed up about 45 mins later. There are a number of TV (25 inch if I remember correctly) located throughout the and VCR's up stairs for movies. A different movie can be played for each tv or same movie for all. The movie AF1 did it SOME justice but not all. There is NO escape pod.
Starlionblue - When I was stationed at RAF Mildenhall 89-91, NEACP was kept there while the president was in Europe. I think we had it there 2-4 times over a 2 yr period. Never got a tour of that though.
Seeing and going aboard AF1 was one of 2 highlights of my 4 yrs in the AF. The other was seeing, guarding and watching fly the SR-71 at RAF Mildenhall. Hated to see that bird leave.
Garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5493 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7377 times:
So before this evaporates into a political discussion, let me turn it back to the topic. The two VC-25s were delivered to the USAF in 1990. Also, InnocuousFox made a misstatement when he said "whatever plane" the president is on is Air Force One. That only holds if the president is on a plane owned and operated by the US Air Force. When President Bush flew to the USS Abraham Lincoln, for example, the S-3B Viking that he was on was designated Navy One. Similarly, if the President was on a US Army UH-60, it would be Army One. Should the president be on a non-military owned aircraft, it is Executive One.
South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
ERJ From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7317 times:
Garnetpalmetto: You just answered a question I've had for a while about if the President was on an a/c of another branch. I've never thought about non military... Executive One. Good info!
I don't know if it's there any more, but the Presidential Air Wing Exhibit at the USAF Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB is pretty awesome. I highly recommend it. I was there a few years ago. It's a journey through the history of Presidential Aircraft. From FDR through to modern day. Of course the highlight is JFK's VC137, the one that carried his body back from Dallas. You can walk through that one.
Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2876 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7117 times:
I got to see one of the current AF1's at McConnell AFB in Wichita before delivery. It didn't had a large tarp or cover over the midsection. I remember at the time thinking it was quite an aircraft. I'm pretty sure it was in 88 or 91. One of the other aircraft that served is supposed to be at the Museum of Flight at BFI, but I haven't gone over to look at it yet. Although, any aircraft the president flys in is called AF1, regardless of the aircraft. I worked at a regional airport in the 90's when a Gulfstream flew Clinton in. As a sidenote, Marine 1 flew in a day before and flew him to his engagement the day he came in.
There's a lot of good stories around AF1. When Nixon or Carter left office (I can't remember which) power was transferred while he was in flight. The pilot called and changed the callsign from AF1, to the regular Airforce callsign of that aircraft.