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Can A380 Become The New Air Force 1?  
User currently offlineSXFAN From Greece, joined Jan 2004, 371 posts, RR: 13
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7731 times:

Do you believe that the A380 can become the new Air Force One?
If yes what kind of electronic goodies and equipment do you think that it will carry? And which is going to be the amount of luxury added on this extremely special aircraft?
Please unleash your creative imagination and add your comments.
Thanks,
Vasilis.

53 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMilehighclub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2004, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7661 times:

It never will because its a European product!

User currently offlineJetboyTWA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 389 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

I'm sure it "could", but I really doubt the US would spend upwards of $280,000,000 on a foreign aircraft. I can't forsee anything other than a Boeing in the future.

-Ryan


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17185 posts, RR: 66
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

Even if Boeing went bankrupt, I think they would rather buy an Il-96 than a Europlane. Or you'd have the President and his Lear or Cessna:D

And even if Boeing went bankrupt, they could buy a pair of used 744s and use them for 30+ years. Besides which, the current VC-25As are nowhere near replacement. They don't really work that much and they are maintained obsessively.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineCruzinAltitude From United States of America, joined May 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7477 times:

Yes it can,



If the Pres ever happened to fly on one (for some very odd reason). But that is about as likely as a Cessna 152 becoming AF 1 for a day.
As far as the US Gov purchasing a A380 for the next AF 1, I truly think it would have to be a VERY cold day in hell for that to happen. Don't get me wrong, I look forward to seeing the SuperJumbo land at LAX some time in the not so distant future, but any President that purchased an A380 will have lost their reelection.


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17185 posts, RR: 66
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

CruzinAltitude, good point.


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3337 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7427 times:

Of course it could, but (again of course) it won't!

Silly thread
MH



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User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7356 times:

Seems like A.nutters are hittin' the wacky tobacky a bit much lately. Lots of silly threads, I must say.  Big grin

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

If the Pres ever happened to fly on one (for some very odd reason). But that is about as likely as a Cessna 152 becoming AF 1 for a day.

INCORRECT!
A US OWNED and registered aircraft would become EXECUTIVE1 if it were civilian owned, an aircraft registered in another country would likely receive no special registration.

ONLY USAF aircraft will becoms AF1, US Army Army1, USMC Marine1, USCG CoastGuard1.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

It could happen, not as a US Air Force 1 though. There are many countries with a AF1 plane. I would not be surprised if the A380 is picked up by some wealthy Middle Eastern king, or by France.


Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineEUSWISS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

It could become the AF1 for the EU president if the EU constitution is agreed. The EU constitution calls for a powerful and permanent EU president.

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

Depends how long the B747 will be in production? I personally think the B777 would be the next AFO.


User currently offlineEALSYS1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7049 times:

The 707 based AF1 was flown for 30 years. The present AF1 is only about 12-13 years old. Why on earth would anyone replace it yet? While it may be based on the 742, it is still state of the art. The built in electronic countermeasures and technology that we as civilians will NEVER see also guarantee its longevity! The amount of money spent on developing the current AF1 means we'll probably see it around for a LONG time!

Sam


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6916 times:

All politic's aside (puh-leeeeeeease!!!) I doubt that the U.S. Govt. would purchase something like the A380 for a variety of reasons...

1) Not an "American" plane. It may have U.S. components, here and there, but it's not "built" here. It's like the Presidential limo being a Citroen.(Cool cars, but again, not BUILT here)

2) Size! You can't "drop in" as the president does. Limited to places that could support the big bird. And big planes can make big targets in this nutty world, too.

3) Cost. Probably cheaper to rebuild ANYTHING (or a couple of ANYTHING's) to state of the art, as opposed to a new Airbus.

Just my opinion.



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User currently offlineAC From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2004, 77 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

It won't . Simply due to security reasons. Who knows what equipment will be installed in the flight by euro spy for stealing US top-secret?


I Believe I Can Fly...
User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6758 times:

The Japanese PM has a 744 as his official aircraft right? Maybe the Japanese government would be intersted in a 380....


The engine is the heart of an airplane, but the pilot is its soul.
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6702 times:

I predict an A380 will become the American Presidents choice for Air Force One, when we have our first foreign born president.



That as everyone knows is constitutionally impossible.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

I think there would be massive protests if they started using the A380 for airforce one. That would be a slap in the face of the US. Although it would be funny to see one of those things as AF-1.


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

Never in a million years! I agree with SupraZachAir these threads have been bad.

User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6588 times:

When the US Gov't asked for candidates for the (current) AF1, it was between the 747 and the DC-10. I don't ever remember any airbus plane even being in the running. Obviously, the 747 won out. It would've been cool to see a DC-10 as the presidential plane though.



User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17185 posts, RR: 66
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

1) Not an "American" plane. It may have U.S. components, here and there, but it's not "built" here. It's like the Presidential limo being a Citroen.(Cool cars, but again, not BUILT here)

Agreed. Image is everything.


2) Size! You can't "drop in" as the president does. Limited to places that could support the big bird. And big planes can make big targets in this nutty world, too.

If an airport can support the 747, it can most likely support the 380. The footprint is designed to be similar.



I predict an A380 will become the American Presidents choice for Air Force One, when we have our first foreign born president.



That as everyone knows is constitutionally impossible.


The Constitution can, of course, be amended  Big grin



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

Starlionblue;

I highly doubt it will ever be changed. There are two American governors who would love to run for President right now but can't.


That Austrian and the Canadian!

Never will happen IMHO


User currently offlineFunfLyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

NO definatly not, the secret underground runways and bunkers set up all over the USA to protect the President from the Aliens arrival, is not set up to handle an A380.



That is all.

 Smile  Smile  Smile



Who cares about status?
User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6503 times:


I think that A380 would be a little tooooooo big for the requirements of Airforce One.



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6433 times:

I seriously doubt it for many reasons:

The plane is too big.
It would be political suicide to endorse that product.
The risk of electronic bugging during assembly (remember the US embassy in Russia).
The current 747 probably has probably 20 more years of service.



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25 Post contains images Kanebear : Oh I wouldn't think cost is a factor... I'd imagine Airbus would give the US Government one hell of a huge discount just for being able to thumb their
26 Post contains images Starlionblue : I highly doubt it will ever be changed. There are two American governors who would love to run for President right now but can't. I didn't think so ei
27 Tristarenvy : Starlionblue in '04! "Ask not what your airline can do for you, but what YOU can do for your airline!" Running on the Airline Frequent Voter/Flyer Tic
28 Starlionblue : Executive Order #2: Frequent Flyer Miles can be redeemed on ANY airline.
29 N949WP : I bet the US gov. will do everything it can to look for a US design for the replacement when it's finally time for the current VC-25 to retire a few d
30 BoingGoingGone : It wouldn't surprise me if the next US Presidential Bird was a 7E7. 8,000 mile range and can slip into any major city. Newest technology. 747 is a won
31 Post contains images Starlionblue : Next it's the "US v EU". But really, isn't the EU simply a duplication of the US I'm laughing On a more serious not, the huge difference between the U
32 Post contains images Starlionblue : Next it's the "US v EU". But really, isn't the EU simply a duplication of the US I'm laughing On a more serious note, the huge difference between the
33 BoingGoingGone : So they should call it the BU?? Bureacratic Union... God help us if the US, Canada and Mexico try something like this.
34 HaveBlue : I love the DC-10, but to my eyes the 747 is a much more 'Presidential' looking aircraft. The hump seperates it from all other cylindrical only airline
35 Post contains images Jwenting : If the EU "constitution" passes we'll all be French colonies without a real government, leaving the French president as president of Europe. I think C
36 Post contains images Cloudy : On a more serious note, the huge difference between the US and the EU, and the big factor in the way of more unification in Europe, is that the EU nat
37 HaveBlue : Good post Cloudy. You summed that up nicely.
38 Alessandro : HaveBlue, I don´t think so, they want a tested airframe, which means the B777 if the B747 isn´t made anymore...
39 HaveBlue : Alessandro, maybe you misread my post. I wasn't implying that I want the 380 for AF1. On the contrary, I love the 747. Didn't want anyone to think I w
40 Post contains images Contact_tower : These treads are great entertainment to read!!!! A bunch of pro-Airbus or pro-her foreing marks thinking that the US DOD will buy the european product
41 Post contains images Garnetpalmetto : Can't everyone for once grow up, and realize that the US DOD will NEVER allocate a MAJOR contract (executive transport, tanker, fighter or whatever) t
42 Contact_tower : ohhh....so very MAJOR many of those......the Twotter was huge and costly indeed! T-45 is made and markeded by Boeing I belive, and the B-57? Come on?
43 LMP737 : Garnetpalmento: Don't forget the AV-8, various small arms, 76mm OTO Merala on USN FFG's, 120mm Rheinmentall gun on the M-1A1 etc, etc. I think what Co
44 Contact_tower : "However when it was not economical to do that the DOD has been willing to go to foreign suppliers" We should se a KC-330 soon then? (Comment on T-45
45 Keesje : Well, no A380 AF1 then. Will we ever a EC1 A380 parking next to a new AF1 on important summits? Probably interesting shots on worldwide TV.
46 LMP737 : Contact tower: When you look at the history of major DOD acquisitions you will see that for the most part european companies had nothing to offer. F-1
47 Post contains images Contact_tower : Oh good! That means DOD will buy abroad if the product is better? I'll keep that in mind next time they shop in house after a specification tailored t
48 LMP737 : Or when a company purposely underbids.
49 Post contains images PU151 : Keesje: "Will we ever a EC1 A380 parking next to a new AF1 on important summits? Yes, and imagine having a An-225 sitting alongside those! You can alw
50 Tubbyboeing : Nope...it will never happen... Boeing has been the choice for Air Force One since the last 60 years (or something like that.....correct me if I'm wron
51 KEESJE : Anyway, the A380 is way too big Well if A 380 can do without the an accompaning C5 for the cars etc ..
52 LMP737 : An Air Force One A380 would still need the accompanying C-5/C-17 to haul around other support equipment such as Marine One. Besides carrying vehicles
53 Post contains images Klaus : Good post, Cloudy! But no, the EU is not an attempt to copy the USA. That wouldn´t make any sense. You should never say "never" in politics, so who k
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