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The Best-selling New Fighter  
User currently offlineDaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 10
Posted (13 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

What do you think will be the best-selling new fighter?
F-22, JSF, Typhoon, Rafale, Su-35/37, Gripen or else, and why?

DaV


Two monologues do not make a dialogue
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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

I think that the JSF will be the best selling fighter out of all of them. It has been produced in order to provide the USAF, USN, USMC, RAF, RNF the best capable aircraft while at the same time being highly affordable. Basically it is a "Next" Generation F-16.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineSU508 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Su 35 because while it has most of the capabilities of the a/c listed above it remains the cheapest of the lot...

Regards,


BBC_CCCP
RUS AF RULES!!!


User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

I think these 3 will sell the most:
Gripen
JSF
EF2000

They are overall the best and cheapest.


User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Who, do you think will buy the Gripen, except Sweden and probably Denmark?

There are already about 500 ordered Eurofighters, but when of the JSFs are built as much as planed, then there will be far more of them.

But no aircraft will sell as much as the Fighting Falcon.

Martin



Imprezas rule!!
User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

South Africa has also chosen the Gripen and it looks like Austria will too. It's combonation of performance and price will make it a winner IMO.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Austria will most likely get Gripen, yes. They do not have a lot of choice, as their entire infrastructure is designed around Swedish hardware. Changing to US models would be far more expensive (even with the aircraft the same price).

I have a feeling the European F-16 replacement (Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Denmark) may come down to a head to head political battle between JSF and Gripen. If that happens, Gripen has the better papers because it is
a) European
b) cheaper (on paper)
military considerations do not come into play in that decision, which might be for about 400 airframes (something 200 NL, 100 B, 50 N, 30 DK)



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineUkrainian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Su-35 All the way baby. it is fast, modern, stealthy and cheap!

Russian - Ukrainian Air Force Rulez!


User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Oh, one more of this Sukhoi-fans, great...

Su-35 All the way baby. it is fast, modern, stealthy and cheap! but it just crashes sometimes...
 Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

Martin



Imprezas rule!!
User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

The SU-27 series are the best fighters...

User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

again!

BTW, I like the Flankers too...

Martin



Imprezas rule!!
User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 2191 times:

i think it'll be the jsf. not because of quality so much, but because it's being marketed to so many current f-16 users who would most likely buy from the US again. i gotta say though, that su-35 sure is sweet. but how can you say it's stealthy? it's got the radar signature of a b-52 people! it's not stealthy at all

User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months ago) and read 2181 times:

Ya, the Su-35 may be good in a dogfight, but that is no good if it gets blasted from miles away by a F-16.

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Again, I have to say the JSF will sell the most. As Duce50boom said, it is being offered to many current F-16 operators and it also offers the most "bang" for your buck.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineFireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

i think the jsf or gripen
not because they are the best but because of the political reasons the russia has no chance to sell any aircraft to any of the reach western country
and by the way my favourite is su-37 with triumf missiles it could blust any target for distance of 400km
and it is stealthy < when su-34 has a rcs of a cruise missile then how big rcs has a newer su-34>


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

With the JSF likely to go the way of the A-12 and Venturestar (given the current trend in US budget decisions (iow, keep the old stuff for another decade and then see what you can get)), the fight is on between Gripen and Rafale.
Noone in the west buys Russkie planes, and Typhoon is too expensive.



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User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

i'm not sure about that 400 km range of that missile you were talking about. it sounded like some pretty far out numbers since i believe the phoenix is still the longest range missile in the world, and that's got one of around 100 miles.

and i think your talking about the s-37 being stealthy, the one that's a prototype that is still in testing and probably won't be built. the su-37 looks just like an su-27 with canards and thrust vectoring nozzles. it's NOT STEALTHY. neither is the su-35. and the su-34 is not stealthy either. it's a ground attack jet with side by side seating for the pilot and nav. where's the stealth on it?



User currently offlineSpectre From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

How about a "fly off" between all the contenders. I know it's a pipe dream, but just imagine these a/c on your local ACMI range going one-on-one, now even me, a tight Yorkshireman, would pay money to see that!!!

User currently offlineGunfighter 6 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

It will depend most on how much money a counrty has to spend. there are also some other factors involved.

e.g The Netherlands is already involved in the development of the JSF. for them not to take the JSF at the end would probably be a weird event. ofcourse everything is possible.

if we take the Typhoon, this bird will be very expensive on the market mainly because of the dilemma's it under went during development. because of these dilemma's the project has cost more then they originally hoped for. the result, a way to expensive plane.

the Gripen on the other hand is a great option for smaller countries. its cheap to build and there for affordable.

i don't think there will be one big winner. the UK and germany are bound to the Typhoon as well as the French to the RaFale.
so it think they will all do pretty well. and in my opinion they are all great planes.


User currently offlineFireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 2063 times:

the phoenix missile is past now the triumf S-500 rules
the plane don't have to luck like a F-117 or b-2 to be stealthy the su-34 has a rcs of a 2m long missile


User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

do you have any numbers to back up your 'phoenix missile is past now the triumf S-500 rules' claim? and i'm not saying a plane has to look stealthy to be stealthy, but the su-34 doesn't have stealth in anywhere near the capability that the f-117, the b-2 or the f-22 has. NOWHERE CLOSE!! it is not a stealth airplane. and if it even has a 2 meter rcs (where did you get that number by the way?), that's still more than enough to get knocked out of the sky by an amraam, or contrary to your statement.....a phoenix


User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

This is one more of these Sukhoi-fans...
Forget it, he'll never confess any disadvantage of a Flanker.

Martin



Imprezas rule!!
User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

yeah.......i'm still hoping he'll make a slip-up though  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineMezza From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

These Sukhoi fans are becoming a real problem, it seems if its not Sukhoi then it does not exist.

What ever happened to the MIG 29, Long live the MIG 29!!!!


User currently offlineRedskin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Havn't they (Sukhoi )fans learn't that QUANTITY is no substitue for QUALITY. I'd have a RAAF hornet before i flew one of those bloody things.. Give me an AMRAAM and i'll shoot the flanker in the face, from the side etc etc etc....... Let alone having an Eagle/ or a Tomcat/ or a F22 raptor, rambunctious, rauchious,renegade...can't spell or think of other good R words

25 Post contains links Fireblade : duce50boom if you don't believe me why don't you check triumf in these links from federation of american scientist http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russi
26 Duce50boom : do you know that the s-400 is a SAM? it's not carried by any airplane. so what are you talking about it and the flanker in the same sentence? i'm stil
27 Fightingfalcon : You can't convert him... Fireblade, 'cause of the f-22: it is slower that doesn't matter, except in very special circumstances. And has the Flanker su
28 Fireblade : duce if you did a little research as i told you so you would find that a triumf could be carried by aircraft once again try researching and about comp
29 Duce50boom : and where did you find anything saying that the s-400 can be carried by aircraft? regarding the su-37, the plane will never be built in any large numb
30 Fireblade : martin 1speed every category gives you some advantage if the speed does not matter why don't boeing make f-22 1.1mach 2.range what about refueling ove
31 Post contains links Fightingfalcon : weapons: AIM-9X: (a news release from July 2000) http://www2.acc.af.mil/accnews/jul00/000262.html AIM-120 AMRAAM: (bottom of the page) http://www.aata
32 Post contains links Fireblade : duce bacause you are very leisy http://www.makavia.8m.net/triumf.htm check the bold part
33 Fireblade : thanks for the links
34 Fightingfalcon : BTW, you can't blast an aircraft from a distance of 400km when you can't catch (or how do you say?) it with your radar, because it's stealthy. I didn'
35 Duce50boom : again fireblade. the s-400 is for a sam. since you obviously don't understand what that means, it stands for SURFACE TO AIR missile. next time read so
36 Boeing in pdx : The U.S buys way more fighters than any euro nation.
37 Fightingfalcon : and...?
38 Post contains links Fireblade : martin stealthy doesn't mean invisible remember of a two f-117 shut down by yugoslav army with their 30 year old SAMs and radars new flankers could ca
39 Oldelwood : I Will Still Take An F-14 Tomcat Over All Of Them!
40 Fightingfalcon : "it doesn't mean invisible" yea, but when the radar can't catch (still no better word for it...) a plane, you can't attack it with a radar-guided miss
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