CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4385 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1490 times:
I think that the JSF will be the best selling fighter out of all of them. It has been produced in order to provide the USAF, USN, USMC, RAF, RNF the best capable aircraft while at the same time being highly affordable. Basically it is a "Next" Generation F-16.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 21 Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1431 times:
Austria will most likely get Gripen, yes. They do not have a lot of choice, as their entire infrastructure is designed around Swedish hardware. Changing to US models would be far more expensive (even with the aircraft the same price).
I have a feeling the European F-16 replacement (Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Denmark) may come down to a head to head political battle between JSF and Gripen. If that happens, Gripen has the better papers because it is
b) cheaper (on paper)
military considerations do not come into play in that decision, which might be for about 400 airframes (something 200 NL, 100 B, 50 N, 30 DK)
Duce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1416 times:
i think it'll be the jsf. not because of quality so much, but because it's being marketed to so many current f-16 users who would most likely buy from the US again. i gotta say though, that su-35 sure is sweet. but how can you say it's stealthy? it's got the radar signature of a b-52 people! it's not stealthy at all
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
i think the jsf or gripen
not because they are the best but because of the political reasons the russia has no chance to sell any aircraft to any of the reach western country
and by the way my favourite is su-37 with triumf missiles it could blust any target for distance of 400km
and it is stealthy < when su-34 has a rcs of a cruise missile then how big rcs has a newer su-34>
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1312 times:
With the JSF likely to go the way of the A-12 and Venturestar (given the current trend in US budget decisions (iow, keep the old stuff for another decade and then see what you can get)), the fight is on between Gripen and Rafale.
Noone in the west buys Russkie planes, and Typhoon is too expensive.
Duce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1311 times:
i'm not sure about that 400 km range of that missile you were talking about. it sounded like some pretty far out numbers since i believe the phoenix is still the longest range missile in the world, and that's got one of around 100 miles.
and i think your talking about the s-37 being stealthy, the one that's a prototype that is still in testing and probably won't be built. the su-37 looks just like an su-27 with canards and thrust vectoring nozzles. it's NOT STEALTHY. neither is the su-35. and the su-34 is not stealthy either. it's a ground attack jet with side by side seating for the pilot and nav. where's the stealth on it?
Spectre From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1314 times:
How about a "fly off" between all the contenders. I know it's a pipe dream, but just imagine these a/c on your local ACMI range going one-on-one, now even me, a tight Yorkshireman, would pay money to see that!!!
Gunfighter 6 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 404 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1310 times:
It will depend most on how much money a counrty has to spend. there are also some other factors involved.
e.g The Netherlands is already involved in the development of the JSF. for them not to take the JSF at the end would probably be a weird event. ofcourse everything is possible.
if we take the Typhoon, this bird will be very expensive on the market mainly because of the dilemma's it under went during development. because of these dilemma's the project has cost more then they originally hoped for. the result, a way to expensive plane.
the Gripen on the other hand is a great option for smaller countries. its cheap to build and there for affordable.
i don't think there will be one big winner. the UK and germany are bound to the Typhoon as well as the French to the RaFale.
so it think they will all do pretty well. and in my opinion they are all great planes.
Duce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1288 times:
do you have any numbers to back up your 'phoenix missile is past now the triumf S-500 rules' claim? and i'm not saying a plane has to look stealthy to be stealthy, but the su-34 doesn't have stealth in anywhere near the capability that the f-117, the b-2 or the f-22 has. NOWHERE CLOSE!! it is not a stealth airplane. and if it even has a 2 meter rcs (where did you get that number by the way?), that's still more than enough to get knocked out of the sky by an amraam, or contrary to your statement.....a phoenix
Redskin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1277 times:
Havn't they (Sukhoi )fans learn't that QUANTITY is no substitue for QUALITY. I'd have a RAAF hornet before i flew one of those bloody things.. Give me an AMRAAM and i'll shoot the flanker in the face, from the side etc etc etc....... Let alone having an Eagle/ or a Tomcat/ or a F22 raptor, rambunctious, rauchious,renegade...can't spell or think of other good R words
25 Fireblade: duce50boom if you don't believe me why don't you check triumf in these links from federation of american scientist http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russi
26 Duce50boom: do you know that the s-400 is a SAM? it's not carried by any airplane. so what are you talking about it and the flanker in the same sentence? i'm stil
27 Fightingfalcon: You can't convert him... Fireblade, 'cause of the f-22: it is slower that doesn't matter, except in very special circumstances. And has the Flanker su
28 Fireblade: duce if you did a little research as i told you so you would find that a triumf could be carried by aircraft once again try researching and about comp
29 Duce50boom: and where did you find anything saying that the s-400 can be carried by aircraft? regarding the su-37, the plane will never be built in any large numb
30 Fireblade: martin 1speed every category gives you some advantage if the speed does not matter why don't boeing make f-22 1.1mach 2.range what about refueling ove
31 Fightingfalcon: weapons: AIM-9X: (a news release from July 2000) http://www2.acc.af.mil/accnews/jul00/000262.html AIM-120 AMRAAM: (bottom of the page) http://www.aata
32 Fireblade: duce bacause you are very leisy http://www.makavia.8m.net/triumf.htm check the bold part