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Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?  
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

Do other nations that operate the Hornet (mainly thinking of Australia here, but could be Spain or Canada) perform full-fledged takeoffs and landings on US CVNs, in order to obtain/maintain that skillset?


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User currently offlineContact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

I really don't think they have that set of skills in the first place!
No need to get it eighter......  Smile

I know there was something in AFM about french crews doing landings on a US carrier with a E-2, and that landnings with the Rafaele was planned, but I get forgetful in my old age......  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

I don't know about any F-18 nation carrier qualifying any of their aircraft or pilots.

That being said, The Argentines used to shoot approaches and touch and goes off US carriers passing in their waters with their Entendards (How however it is spelled) after their carrier was retired. Since the US ships didn't have the appropriate launching bridles on the ship, where was no way to catapult the aircraft, actual landings did not occur.

Seen video of it, on Discovery channel or History channel or something.



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User currently offline320tech From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined May 2004, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

I understand that there have been some Canadian F-18 pilots who have served on exchange with the USN or USMC (one was killed just a couple of weeks ago in a USMC F-18). They would get carrier qualified if that's what their job entails.

Otherwise, Canada doesn't do anything to obtain carrier quals.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

While there has been no "cross-decking" of F/A-18's there has been cross decking of USN E-2C and French Navy E-2C's.



http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/images/enduring41.html


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

L-188,

Brazil did some touch and goes with their A-4's a few weeks back, on the USS Reagan.



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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4059 times:

None of the non-US users f the F-18 operate them as naval aircraft nor do they own carriers that could support this aircraft. The nations that do touch and gos on US carriers are France, Argentina and Brasil. They use their own carrier aircraft (all of US or French origin) but not any F/A-18ac.


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4047 times:

One thing that would keep Spanish Air Force F/A-18's from cross decking is that the launch bars have been removed. You could land but not take off!



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User currently offlinePronto From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

No, none of them do, or are equiped, but that would be pretty nice if they were and they did!! It would bring a new light to "Joint Exercises"

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

I'd guess those launchbars could be quickly retrofitted if needed but that's beside the point  Smile

Strangely the Spanish retain the far heavier wingfolding mechanism and use it reqularly despite having room to park the aircraft with wings extended.



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User currently offlineSaint-Exupery From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

At least one Swiss !! pilot landed on a carrier. Perhaps to train for the new Nimitz-class carrier the Swiss Navy is due to receive 2005 for service on the Lake Geneva...
http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=8595


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3928 times:

Saint-Expuery:

Your link reminds me of the time I ran into a Royal Navy exchange pilot at NAS Miramar in the early 90's. I had just left the base gym when I saw a pilot with wearing a USN issue flight suit and a VF-124 patch on it. This in and of it's self is not odd. What he was wearing on his head was. He was wearing a RN officers dress uniform cap. USN pilots typically wear their garrison cap or a squadron ball cap when they are wearing a flight suit. Guess he left his ball cap at home.  Big grin

Jwenting:

If I'm not mistaken all export F/A-18 retain the wingfold mechanism. Probably not cost effective to design and build a wing without it.


User currently offlineMdundon From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3899 times:
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Following the crash related death of the Canadian pilot flying a USMC F18, I read in the Canadian press that there are over 100 Canadian Armed Forces pilots on exchange in the US. They are fully integrated into the squadrons and would perform carrier landings if that is what their posting requires.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

I know Kuntz, well, sort-of personally. I've launched his jet numerous times. Referring to the link above...

User currently offline320tech From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined May 2004, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

100 Canadian air force pilots on exchange in the US? That sounds awfully high to me. We only have about 1500 pilots, I think, not all of whom are flying. We're also quite short of pilots.

Canadian F-18's retain the wing fold mechanism, launch bar, and tail hook, but I believe the launch bar has been de-activated. The tail hook and wing folds still work, though.



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