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Nimrod MRA4 First Flight?  
User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6978 times:

Rumour has it that the Nimrod MRA4 was supposed to have it's first flight today.

Anyone got any info on it?

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User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

I've been searching for info on that but come up blank.

I havent seen anything come out of Woodford so far today. If it leaves from 25 I should be able to see/hear it.


Jamo


User currently offlineAvroRJ From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6808 times:

The first flight is not due for another few weeks yet, but definatly in August!

In the hangar all this week clearing some final tests and preparing for the high speed taxi trials, which will take place in the next week or two.

Will give a heads up on 1st first flight when I now a more definate date!

First flight incidently will be to Warton.



User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

Will it be comming back to woodford for tests or when it leaves, its gone?  Sad

Anyone know where the best places are to get shots of takeoffs from Woodford. This is one first flight I dont want to miss  Smile

Please keep us posted AvroRJ


Jamo


User currently offlineAvroRJ From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

As I understand it, PA1 will return to Woodford to have Mods done and also the planned lay-ups. I thnk most of the Test flying will be done at Warton

This site gives good info about Woodford.

http://www.ringwayreports.co.uk/woodford.htm


User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6447 times:

From a very reliable source. First flight Saturday 21st, landing at Warton for the mission fit.

User currently offlineDerekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

Wrong Saintsman. Not very reliable source. Landing at Warton to carry out the flight test programme.




Whatever.......
User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

Are you telling me there will be no flight?

User currently offlineAvroRJ From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

Derekf is right, PA01 is going to Warton for flight test program.

It will be a fair while yet before PA01 is fitted with its mission systems.

From what I have heard first flight is penciled in for Tuesday (24th). This depends on successful completion of HST (High Speed Taxi) trials, which haven't even started yet, despite aircraft being ready to go all day today.


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6241 times:

well hopfuly once it is ready kinloss will be getting the bulk of them :P all for gary woo!, will there be any noticable diffrence appart from a longer tail again..? hopfuly not, love those engines, although i guess they will have made it less smokey  Sad boohoo

User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

Its just taken off out of woodford approx 1535 local

I tried to take pics but i was a bit slow in getting my camera out  Sad



Jamo


User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

OK guys sorry for the poor quality but I was leaning out of my bedroom window to get these (really didnt want to shoot thru the glass)






Jamo


User currently offlinePronto From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

Pictures look great - no smoke!! How did it sound? Extreme difference?
Great to see, after all the delays in the program, this bird in the air


User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5774 times:

Well when I first heard it, I thought MAN had just changed runways and it was just a 757 or A320 departing MAN on a LISTO1S. Then I looked out the window and saw it was something completely different. Big grin


Jamo


User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5660 times:

Well done Jamo Smile




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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

A bit more info on the flight

THE NEW NIMROD TAKES TO THE SKIES!

Earlier today the new Nimrod MRA4, a highly capable Maritime Reconnaissance and Attack aircraft, took off on its historic inaugural flight from BAE Systems' Woodford site, near Manchester, cheered on by many of the site's 600 employees engaged in the programme.

The aircraft, dubbed PA01, is the first of three design and development Nimrod MRA4's. Following a successful take-off from Woodford it flew into the company's Warton site, in Lancashire, again witnessed by crowds of personnel based at the site, to begin an extensive flight trials programme. Warton has been much involved in the development of the MRA4, with around half the 1,250 strong Nimrod team based there, together with more than 70 RAF and Defence Procurement Agency (DPA) personnel seconded to the programme. Other BAE Systems sites with a previous or current involvement in the programme include Brough in Yorkshire, Chadderton in Greater Manchester, Prestwick in Scotland and Farnborough in Hampshire.

For Joe Harland, Nimrod MRA4 Managing Director, first flight of the aircraft represents a major milestone in his long career in aviation. On witnessing the aircraft's landing at Warton he said, "This is an amazingly complex and challenging programme. The fact that we have successfully flown the aircraft for the first time speaks volumes for the experience, specialist skills and sheer hard work of our employees, as well as for the close working relationship we have established with our customer, the Defence Procurement Agency. We should also not forget that this is another aviation 'first' for the North West."


John Turner, Nimrod MRA4's Chief Test Pilot, who was in command of the aircraft said, "I feel privileged to have piloted the aircraft on its historic first flight - the Nimrod MRA4 is a real pleasure to fly, and behaved well. I now look forward to conducting the rest of the flight trials programme with the Nimrod team."


For his part the Director for Nimrod Development, Steve Fogg, praised the aircraft's capability. "The MRA4 represents a technological step change from the MR2 it is set to replace in 2009, able, for example, to gather, process and display up to 20 times more data than the current in-service aircraft "


Steve added, "The MRA4 has a typical crew of 10, and a range of around 6,000 miles, sufficient to fly from the UK to Los Angeles or Buenos Aires, for example, without refuelling. Equally important, unrefuelled it can remain on station for twice as long as an MR2 during a search and rescue mission."

The new MRA4 is powered by four Rolls Royce/BMW BR710 engines. These have already been tried and proven on Gulfstream and Bombardier business jets, and make the new MRA4 more powerful (with a high-level top speed of just over 600 miles per hour) and quieter than the MR2.

The other two MRA4 design and development aircraft, PA02 and PA03, are expected to fly in late 2004 and summer 2005 respectively, with flight trials expected to continue at Warton until 2006/ 2007.

The Ministry of Defence has indicated a requirement for a fleet of around 12 Nimrod MRA4, although this is dependent on the outcome of the trials programme and agreement on an acceptable price for production aircraft. No decision has yet been taken on when or where production will take place.


For further information, please contact Felicity Wingrove, Senior Communications Advisor, Air Systems, 01772 856311, or email felicity.wingrove@baesystems.com

Editor's Notes
* Nimrod MRA4 Background information
* Nimrod MRA4 key features
* About BAE Systems in the North West
* About BAE Systems

Nimrod MRA4 Background information:
Under a contract awarded in December 1996, and amended in 2002, BAE Systems was contracted to build an 18-strong fleet of Nimrod MRA4 aircraft, the Royal Air Force's new Maritime, Reconnaissance and Attack aircraft. The contract was subject to further renegotiation in 2003, separating out the design and development phase (3 aircraft) from an option for production (15 aircraft). More recently, on 21 July 2004, the Secretary of State for Defence talked about the nation's maritime reconnaissance requirement being met in future by a fleet of 'around 12' Nimrod MRA4 aircraft..


A worthy successor to the highly successful Nimrod MR2, the aircraft is equipped with the latest in sensors and mission systems for the 'three-in-one' maritime patrol mission. This includes ASW, Anti-Surface Unit Warfare (ASUW) and Search And Rescue (SAR).


Nimrod MRA4 will offer unrivalled operational effectiveness, incorporating a state-of- the-art technical and mission capability and a fully integrated training system and logistic support package.


Nimrod MRA4 key features:
* The Rolls Royce/BMW BR710 Engine

* BR710, a modern high bypass ratio turbofan chosen by BAE Systems for low noise, high reliability and efficiency
* At take-off MRA4 is around 4 times quieter than the existing Nimrod MR2
* Engine design and installation combine to give the aircraft an equivalent noise profile to regional jets
* Over 600 engines in civil operation have already accumulated in excess of 800,000 hours
* Multi-Mode Pulse Doppler Radar - a large antenna for greater range and improved target resolution
* Electronic Support Measures - new equipment to detect, localise and classify electronic transmissions
* Defensive Aids Sub-System - fitted with a dedicated radar warning receiver
* Acoustics System - this key sensor system in submarine detection will use advanced sonobuoys and dedicated processors to detect and rapidly locate the quietest and deepest running submarines in service
* Electro-Optical Surveillance and Detection System - turret-mounted under the nose, this system provides high-resolution imagery to assist in search, identification and intelligence gathering
* Magnetic Anomaly Detector - mounted in the tail 'sting' this detects localised changes in the Earth's magnetic field confirming the presence of large metallic objects, such as submarines, under the sea's surface
* Communications Management System - Nimrod MRA4 will be able to communicate on all voice bands from low frequency to UHF. The aircraft will also have datalink and satellite communication capability for world-wide secure communication.


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

* At take-off MRA4 is around 4 times quieter than the existing Nimrod MR2

boooo, i liked being deffend and coverd in its smoke  Sad

* Engine design and installation combine to give the aircraft an equivalent noise profile to regional jets

big boooo

* Magnetic Anomaly Detector - mounted in the tail 'sting' this detects localised changes in the Earth's magnetic field confirming the presence of large metallic objects, such as submarines, under the sea's surface

very cool

* Electro-Optical Surveillance and Detection System - turret-mounted under the nose, this system provides high-resolution imagery to assist in search, identification and intelligence gathering

i like

anyway atleast the overall look of it has stayed the same, still those nice curvey engines, it seams to have some strange new winglet edition?


User currently offlineBsergonomics From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

Just a curious personnel note:

Joe Harland (assuming he's the same bloke - there aren't too many around in the UK with that name) used to be at Lockheed Martin ASIC (formerly Loral, formerly IBM), based at North Harbour, Portsmouth. He was on the Merlin (ASW helicopter, based on the EH101) programme and is a damned good manager. At last, BAES has hired someone who will get the job done...

John Turner is also one of the best and most useful test pilots that I've had the priveledge of working with.

While the industry insiders will tell you that the programme as a whole has been a joke and an exercise in Dilbertism, it's good to see that they've finally made it to flight test. Hopefully with the improved management, the programme as a whole will improve!



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