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How To Get X-plane Status?  
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Does a private company or organization need a military or NASA contract to have a experimental airplane of theirs be held under the X-plane status and be tested at Edwards or whereever?

Can a university senior project apply?


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

From what I know, the X planes have always been Air Force, Navy or NASA funded experimental aircraft or rockets.

Back in the day, it was truly experimental types, first supersonic, first hypersonic, first swing wing, first tail-less, first VTOL jet, ect. The last few X designations have been the ultra manuevarable X-31, space planes and space crew recoverable vehicles, and, unusually, the fighters X-32 and X-35.

Normally prototype aircraft didn't get the X designation, but rather the Y prefix. When the General Dynamics F-16 and Northrop F-17 (later became the F-18 for a different program) had their fly off for the Air Force lightweight fighter contract, they were designated YF-16 and YF-17. The 16 won, and the 17 almost faded into obscurity. Same with the YF-22 and YF-23.

So, to answer your question, it is my opinion that a university program wouldn't get an X designation and access to Edwards, but I could be wrong. Just everything I can remember that was X had government contracts or armed service contracts behind it.



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5365 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3313 times:

Have Blue - correct. An "X-plane" isn't a status awarded to just any experimental aircraft, but is a Basic Mission designator under the Tri-Service Designation system. Thus the aircraft would have to be under USAF/NASA control and have been built under contract to those entities.


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User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3308 times:

I highly doubt that a program would get access to Edwards unless they have a military, NASA, or DARPA contract. Though there have been exceptions like Scaled Composites Voyager.

Also the X series is generally only given to experimental NASA or military aircraft, that has no direct applications for the aircraft (though knowledge and technology tested on the aircraft have future use).

Many schools often do get DARPA, NASA, and military contracts too.



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5365 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3282 times:

lso the X series is generally only given to experimental NASA or military aircraft, that has no direct applications for the aircraft (though knowledge and technology tested on the aircraft have future use).

Not always true, anymore, unfortunately, PPGMD. As happens all too frequently these days, convention is being swept aside for whatever reasons - note that the two prototypes in the JSF competition were given "X" designations rather than "YF" designations.



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User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3274 times:

There are always exceptions to every rule, it started with the XB-70. At least that I am aware of.


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

PPGMD, exactly. The XB-70 was always an anomaly to me (though one of my all time favorite aircraft) because normaly it would have been a YB-70 and after the program faultered as it did, it was just used as a research vehicle for tri sonic testing, but if circumstances had been different it would have went into production. None of the other X planes were ever intended to be in production, even the X-29 which was a technology demonstrater, but it was just politics and the crash of the second article that doomed the XB-70 from seeing a production run.

IMO the F-32 and F-35 should have had a Y prefix, with the loser fading into ambigiouty and the F-32 going into production. But I don't make the rules  Smile



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User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

They used the X designator to hide the true purpose of the aircraft from those commies that are out to steal our precious bodily fluids.

Also if I made the rules I would have canceled both program and told Lockheed and Boeing to find me a stealth aircraft that can truly replace the F-16 (while still be stealthy) or stop wasting our money.

Johan, LM doesn't work either

That's LM.

[Edited 2004-09-29 00:09:45]


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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Would it be that protoype aircraft have the intent of become a real production aircraft and that an experimental aircraft is meant as a flying testbed?

So if a school can get a contract, how is the space allocated, who has control?



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User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

That's something you would clear up through the contract, you would get a DARPA, military, or NASA contact that would deal with stuff like that.

Or you could always call up the Flight Test Center, if you are on an USAF contract, but your contact might not like you going over their head without their permission.

One shouldn't really care if you are a Y series or X series, just as long as you have support and funding it really doesn't matter. In fact the Y series would be a better area to be in if you want funding beyond the flying test bed, few X series aircraft are extended beyond a single aircraft, even though they have potential, like the X-31

You guys working on your no sonic boom aircraft (well I believe you said from the perspective of the average person on the ground)?

[Edited 2004-09-29 01:36:54]


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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

They're called "low boom" concepts and right now that is all they are. The only thing I can't tell is subsonic performance, I hope to test approximate scale models in my school's wind tunnel for verification some time during next year.

What you put in parenthesis is the biggest clue to what I came up with this past January.  Wink/being sarcastic

As of the x-plane deal, my wishes are either this or Project Lehpron (one of my pulse-engined hypersonic concepts I sure wish were an X-plane. That would be so kickass.)



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