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Sen. John Mcain Gives The AirForce The Boot.  
User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/200432_boeingmccain20.html

"In blistering remarks from the Senate floor, McCain, R-Ariz., said Air Force Secretary James Roche intentionally told Congress one thing about the tanker deal while offering conflicting views in private e-mails to other government officials."

"But McCain suggested that the misdeeds may go far deeper than that, and he reserved his harshest words for the Air Force."

"I don't buy it. I simply cannot believe that one person, acting alone, can rip off taxpayers out of possibly billions of dollars. This appears to be a case of either a systemic failure in procurement oversight, willful blindness or rank corruption. Either way, full accountability among Air Force leadership is in order," he said."



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User currently offlineSidishus From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 519 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3181 times:


Here the Senator's full statement ...

http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=NewsCenter.ViewSpeech&Content_id=1332



the truth: first it is ridiculed second it is violently opposed finally it is accepted as self-evident
User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Apparantly Roche was in the Boeing sales team.

Let McCain take the place of Rummy, would ad some credibility to the Bush team..

In these days shortly after 9-11 everybody suggesting KC330 might be an option could publicly be labelled "un-American" and "ex-communicated"



User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Unfortunately, Kessje, John MCcain won't ask for the KC-330, so no luck there!
He's just pointing out this is not something isolated to 1 person, but the whole organisation needs a 'bit' of a shakeup.



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

...And we don't need McCain as secdef to get the shakeup... he's doing quite well from his present position....

User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

KEESJE,

Yes and Europe is free from corruption. *cough*OilForFoodProgram*cough* Even before 9-11 there would have been little chance for Airbus to provide such an important USAF asset such as tankers. I don't think even Clinton would have taken it that far. But I do agree with McCain that we need to look at appropriations, we are spending millions of dollars on oversight, that apparently was useless because of one high ranking officer.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

useless because of one high ranking officer

McCain (above link) :I simply cannot believe that one person, acting alone, can rip off taxpayers out of possibly billions of dollars. This appears to be a case of either a systemic failure in procurement oversight, wilful blindness, or rank corruption.

But anyway PPGM, I understand the competition will start all over.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6154-2004Nov22.html

Boeing & Airbus wil likely have improved their bids (meeting original specs, proven technology & political sensitivities) so the customer will probably get a better choice as a result of fair competition.


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

I can't read the washington post, I don't feel like giving a blood sample. Anyways many of us have said in the past the competition is not a competition in the sense that you are thinking, instead it will bring Air Bus in to give them the run around, just to pressure Boeing to lower it's price.

If you or Air Bus doesn't like it, the French have the exact same defense policy.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

KEESJE:

If you think McCain is a friend of Airbus, you're sadly mistaken. You're probably one of these people that thinks he's a "moderate," as well.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineIadbgo From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

I think that we are sort of missing the point of what the Post article in particular are saying. The Post article is all about how Boeing was using questionable ethical things to bid for the contracts. The DOD is not happy with Boeing right now. This is the second time this year Boeing has been rebuked by DOD.
As much as we might like to say that 'Of course Boeing will get the contrct.' It isn't that simple anymore. Boeing needs a good and ethical approach to EADS...just saying the US should pick Boeing isn't going to do it in this day and age. There are too many congressmen who are pressured by constituents to explain COST...particularly since 767's aren't manufactured nationwide.

IADBGO


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Iadbgo:

Well, the best of both worlds would be to give a contract to LMT or NG for new tankers. LMT had a proposal, but retracted it when they saw the 767 was preferred...but now it may be back on the table again.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
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