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Mi-24 In UN  
User currently offlineCheckerboard From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Hi folks, I've just found this picture from the database:
http://photos.airliners.net/ee536d1ab016c5735ee4b9c02f1a2bbb/41b1d9c7/middle/4/7/1/527174.jpg

What's the mission of this Mi-24? For Transport?

Thanks!

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User currently offlineUSAFMXOfficer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

Can't access the photo. I get a "408-request timeout" error.


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User currently offlineCheckerboard From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6129 times:

I's sorry! The link should be this: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/527174/M/

User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6125 times:


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Photo © Ali Hammoud




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User currently offlineIndianFlyboy From India, joined Sep 2003, 294 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

Well the caption says there a Mi 26's also parked in the airfield. With those elephants around , I doubt these would be for transport. Mi 24/35's are primarily gunships with troop carrying capabilities , so these would probably be for attack or escort for other choppers.

Regards


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

I doubt it IndianFlyboy. If you look at the picture, they are only carrying auxiliary fuel tanks under the wing, and the nose turret houses no cannon. Though NATO countries have combat planes obviously, I think the 'UN' paint job shows it as a non combatant, kinda like Red Crosses on war ambulances. If I recall correctly, the Hind carried 8 combat ready troops, so it probably is an ideal fast transport for a small UN force.


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User currently offlineContact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

"and the nose turret houses no cannon. "

Do you boys see the 2 long barrelse on the right side of the nose/cockpit wall?

That's a 30mm automatic cannon......'cos this is a Hind Foxtrot (Mi-24P) Big thumbs up

[Edited 2004-12-06 12:11:14]

[Edited 2004-12-06 12:15:51]

User currently offlineContact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

*swear*

barrelse = barrels

*swear*

 Big grin


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5185 times:

I stand corrected... never seen em like that before.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

Aren't those 23mm?

Specificly the ZSU-23




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User currently offlineContact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

You are indeed correct 188, my turn to stand corrected!  Smile

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14072 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4830 times:

Sierra Leone had a nasty civil war going on for over ten years, mainly supporrted by neighbouring Liberia´s ex-dictator Charles Taylor. The problem was that Sierra Leone is potentially a rich country, with huge diamond fields close to the Liberian border. Taylor financed a rebel group called the Revolutionary United Front (RUF) under their leader Foday Sankoh to gain control of these areas. Pretext was the so called excessive influence of the Temne tribe over the country,which is rivaled by the Mende tribe. In the end, the RUF rebels were not interested in controlling territory to set up a new government but just in plundering and terrorising. Favourite tactics of theRUF against villagers was the amputation of hands using machetes (even on little children). Additionaly thereexisted a lot of other bandit groups, which profited from the government´s inability to move their troops fast.

Finally the UN stepped in, together with neighbouring West African countries, which saw the ongoing civil war a threat to their own stability.
One item which helped the UN to crack down on the rebels / bandits was the use of reconnaisance aircraft and airmobile troops to detect and combat rebel / bandit camps in the jungle. These Mi-24 helicopters were intended to give the UN combat troops some air mobility and close support.
So far this operation has been successfull, Foday Sankoh having been recognised by citizens while hiding in the capital and almost being lynched, was taken in custody by British UN troops and later handed over to the Sierra Leonian government for disposal. He died of cancer while in prison, saving the hangman work.
One thing contributing to the success were also two successfull operations run by the British, one a defense against an attack by Sankoh´s supporters, who wanted to free him and the other one a successfull operation to fre a dozen British soldiers who had been acidentally caprtured by a bandit group and were held as hostages.
The rebels discovered that taking on professional soldiers was different from slaughtering unarmed civilians and lost their invincible supermen status.
So far I would say that Sierra Leone was a successfull UN operation, with the country slowly recovering after 12 years of civil war. It also helped that Liberian dictator got ousted in his own country, so that, whatever remained of the RUF, lost all support.

Jan


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

Off topic, but for the sake of clarity....

Charles Gankay Taylor was an elected President and until some stage his regime was not dictatorial, just typical sub-saharan African, tribal links first.
The RUF was living from the country, notably from the diamond mining (traditionally a Lebanese trade). All buyers (in full knowledge) are as guilty of helping supporting the war as Taylor who just did what many others were doing even before he came in the picture. He did not need the RUF, he needed cash.

Also, I can tell from personal experience(s) that even in "peaceful" times, every traveller to the countryside was stopped and ransomed at regular intervals when outside the capital city area, it was and still is the only way for the majority to make some money.



User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

Contact Tower,
I think you had it right the first time. My "Hind in detail" book says that it's a 30mm GSh-30-2.



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4797 times:

lakobos, can you elaborate on your experience? Do you mean that people are taken hostage until a ransom is paid?


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User currently offlineCitjet From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 4793 times:

Yup. Those be cannon. Also, not what appears to be FLIR in place of the chin turret.

User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 4796 times:

Well no surprise that those heli are armed, this was a UN peace enforcement mission after all. (and real combat took place)

HaveBlue, the scenario is terribly simple, about 1km before the road reaches a village there are some primitive (but heavy or bulky) obstacles. Since it is jungle or bush both sides, you have no other option than to stop. After half a minute a gentleman or two appear from nowhere, nonchalantly carrying things that look very much like AK-47s and a machete. If you want your destiny not to stop at that point, you will be very polite, take a (already prepared) bunch of cash out of your shirt pocket (from nowhere else, dangerous !), pretend to negotiate a little and hand him 90% of what you have in hand.
If he is nice, or already made a good income that day, and is not too much on the pot, that's about it. Obstacles cleared (sometimes by youself) and you are free to go until the next village. (not that many fortunately)
If he is not in a good mood, better give him the cash without negotiating.

This leads to a few rules for survival:
* whenever possible travel by plane or heli
* if by car, choose one that does not look new or expensive
* travel with a local (most natives do not speak English)
* no more than 2 non-natives on board, no more than one car
* have a couple of powerful handguns, make sure they are within easy reach but not easily visible
* a very visible hunting gun is advisable, provided you did catch some good game on the way. You will give them the game, it will save their ammo (scarce) and they will understand you know the rules.
* always travel in the morning before it is too warm and they are busted with beer (leaving town 1hr before sunset is perfect, game is rather easy to catch in the headlights)

Officially, the village is responsible for maintaining a certain portion of road (which they don't of course).
So, in a way, it is simply a toll station.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

I think you are right Vzlet. I looked them up on the FAS.org website.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi-24.htm



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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

You guys realize that the UN paid for the Ukrainian Mi-24's to operate in several peace missions, and that the Byelorussians have been mercing theirs out to the highest bidder for years.

The Ukranian pilots on UN missions got more hours in their tour than they had flown over the previous several years.

BTW the Mi-24's come in two differently armed variants. The original has the 23mm Gatling gun under the chin, and the later variants have the dual 30mm cannon mounted on the left side of the chin. There is a sight mounted in the turret, not all are IR/Thermal capable, but there is a sight.



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

Iakobos thank you. Very interesting stuff there, though nothing I would ever want to see firsthand.

What took you there? Business, regular travels? Not to be nosy, just curious.





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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

AFAIK, the MI-24 never had a 23mm cannon. The gatling was 12.7mm (50 cal). New MI-24s and MI-35s come with 30mm cannon, as the russians seem to be standardizing on that caliber.

There is a south african MI-24 pilot that posts on Pprune, flies in Sierra Leone. Check for the name "gunship", he has some interesting posts.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

Spacepope....the original Hind A thru D had the 12.7mm minigun in the turret plus they had the 23mm gun pods with the same weapon they used in their ada mounts as well as some aircraft.

The Hind E upgraded to a twin 23mm turret mounted cannon.

The Hind F and Mi-35 as well as later upgrades to existing airframes had the twin 30mm's

Thanks for pointing out the mistake in my post, as I said 23mm when thinking 12.7mm. They get complicated to keep up with sometimes.


http://www.helis.com/70s/h_mi24.php
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi-24.htm



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User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

Ken,

What took me there....let's call it business. (honest bizz)
The procedures may seem a little bit harsh, but when you are well aware and used to it, it is pretty straightforward.
The idea is to take money, not to kill people, a dead client is a lost client.
There is obviously very little road traffic, so they care not to scare too much.

Ian,
I wont go into details here, but yes the Byelo and Ukrs are in high demand.
I was in a situation where one (warring) side had Byelo fighters (Mig) and pilots, the other side had Ukr fighters (Su) and pilots and Byelo AAA batteries and crews.
They had their "private" channels to make sure none of them would get hurt, despite the full size war. They knew precisely where not to drop their eggs.


User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

DL021,
The fas.org ref you provided says that Hind Es have either a 12.7 or 23mm turret gun, while the helis.com source implies that all "E" models have the 23mm version. I'm positive that Czech Ds and Es all use the same 4-barrelled 12.7mm in their turrets. (It's designated the 9-A-624.) I can't recall seeing an example of a turreted 23mm and would be interested in a picture if anyone knows of one. The Czechs do use the pod-mounted GSh-23-2s you mentioned. (And, perhaps of interest, there's also a seemingly-made-for-Hollywood device combining a 4x12.7 and two 4x7.62 guns in a single pod.)

-Mark



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User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

Never mind about the request for pics of turreted 23mm guns on Hinds. Turns out I already have some, on examples of Mi-24VP and Mi-35M.


"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
25 MD11Engineer : Iakobos, I got my information from my Sierra Leonian ex wife (the one I just divorced, she´s a Temne from Freetown, BTW) and from hanging out with th
26 Post contains links Iakobos : Jan, Former elected Pdt "Chuck" Taylor is a Gola from Eastern Liberia. To anyone interested in non-academic but "right on it" accounts of dangerous pl
27 MD11Engineer : Iakobos, This link doesn´t work. You´ll need some permission to enter this site.Anyway, my next long distance trip will probably be the Filipino isl
28 Post contains links Iakobos : Entschuldigung Jan, I dont know why I softened the website's name... it is http://www.comebackalive.com The Philippine "report" does not work for the
29 GDB : The UK deployment to Sierra Leone was not a UN operation, in 2000 the largely African Union manned UN op there seemed in disarray, the country seeming
30 Iakobos : Right GDB, especially when you know the origin and nature of UN (or ECOMOG) troops. Some contingents are just marginally better than the dreaded rebel
31 Post contains links GDB : Some links to my above post; http://britains-smallwars.com/Sierraleone/index.html http://britains-smallwars.com/Sierraleone/Operation-Barras.html http
32 MD11Engineer : Actually I´ve heard often within the Sierra Leonian community in Berlin, that they wanted to have the Brits back. They said that the British exploite
33 Post contains images JetBlast : I think Sierra Leone is in a civil war right now, am I right? That could explain the guns... Regards JetBlast @ BWI
34 LY744 : "I think Sierra Leone is in a civil war right now, am I right?" Gee I don't know, but here's a clue: try one of the 32 replies posted before yours. LY
35 Post contains images JetBlast : Thanks for the, ummmmm..., unkind response LY744. Regards JetBlast @ BWI
36 LY744 : Well at least now I know you do read responses other than your own. Anytime, BTW. LY744.
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