Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20371 times:
Greetings all.
Does anyone know of a site that show the floor plans of SAM 28000 and/or 29000? I realize that because of security, that this may not be possible, but I know that Boeing once put out the floor plans of the C-32's ("Air Force Two") when they came out at first. I'm just curious because I started a "Presidential dream fleet" thread in AV Polls and I'm curious how a 767-200 could be configured.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4007 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20268 times:
I highly doubt you'll find it, but (this is a highly improbable possibility) in the movie Air Force One, they show quite a bit of the plane. If I remember, starting with the nose, it's the President's bedroom, staircase/galley, conference rooms/other offices, passenger seating, storage. Communications center upstairs (I know that exists). Take it for what it's worth!
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4007 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20258 times:
Quoted from the first paragraph: "...Even visiting politicians and journalists aren't allowed in some parts of the plane, and the Air Force is careful to conceal specific details of the craft's layout..."
Again, nobody really knows what it looks like (heck, the designers probably don't know!).
AAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 16 Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20250 times:
You can try either of the 3 below.
All joking aside though, I do believe it is classified.
UnitedRhapsody From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20278 times:
I wouldn't expect to ever find these...
The Secret Service would probably flip if floor plans ever got.
I know that the TV show The West Wing asked for detailed plans for the livery and got denied...
The movie Air Force One also requested detailed information on the presidential aircraft and were denied.
AAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20261 times:
By the way, The upper deck is off limits to anyone without Top Secret clearance. No media has ever been allowed to the top deck.
Ramerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20226 times:
All those reporters fly AF1 and nothing is out there?? I think the link a few posts up a lot of sence if it isn't the real floor plan.
SR
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20203 times:
I'm more curious to see how the smaller VIP aircraft in the US VIP fleet are laid out, like the C-40 VIP version, C-32, C-20/37, etc...I've been in a C-21 at an airshow, and the VC-137 at the Museum of Flight @BFI...the C-21 wasn't terribly impressive but for such a small cabin suppose there wasnt much room to work with...
Greg
Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20193 times:
"All those reporters fly AF1 and nothing is out there?? I think the link a few posts up a lot of sence if it isn't the real floor plan."
Reporters flying on AF1 board through the rearmost door, and sit in a compartment at the back of the cabin/fuselage, and are not allowed to go forward in the a/c without escort, which is a very rare occurrence apparently...
Greg
Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19865 times:
There is a great book called Air Force One that is available on line from Barnes and Noble and well worth the cost. HAs all the info that is available and past history of all the Presidents planes.
SATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19818 times:
Flight International had a cutaway that was pretty accurate. Check their website.
USAFHummer; When I was stationed at ADW we only used one staircase truck on AF1 and that was the one everyone sees in the news at door L1. Anyone boarding at the rear used the lower deck airstair.
Having handled a lot of VIP aircraft at ADW, I think a.netters would be pretty disappointed with the USAF vip fleet. The Kuwaiti and Saudi aircraft were much more interesting!!
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19800 times:
The Kuwaiti and Saudi aircraft were much more interesting!!
No doubt they are, but who's gonna tell the Saudi Royal family and the Kuwaiti Royal family they've spent too much money on the official Royal Aircraft !
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8418 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19492 times:
I have an info sheet on the C-32, and it has a complete floorplan for the aircraft.
If I had a scanner I'd be glad to scan it and stick it up on photobucket for y'all to see, but unfortunately I don't.
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19500 times:
MD-90,
Thanks for the offer, I actually have the C-32 floor plan from a Boeing news letter when it took it's first flight. I've seen pics of the interior too, kinda bland, don't you think?
Blackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19175 times:
Blackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18925 times:
So did I, after I answered your post. I found nothing of interest. But, you should be able to use your imagination. I would rule out a swimming pool.
Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 17333 times:
Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 5): By the way, The upper deck is off limits to anyone without Top Secret clearance. No media has ever been allowed to the top deck.
This doesn't strike me as entirely correct.
The Discovery channel did a few great shows about AF1, and one of them had a camera looking over the 'captain's' shoulder at Marine1 landing with (I want to say Clinton) on board. I didn't check the filming credits, so it might have been AF personel who toook the footage, but I would NOT be surprised if someone from DSC was rushed through that section and told what to/not to shoot. I totally understand that getting any film aft of the flight deck (on the upper deck) is unlikely.
ShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17250 times:
There was a documentry on the history of Presidential aircraft and one shot was of the VC-25A's instrument panel. Typical 747-200 stuff, except for the EADI & EHSI.
25 Erikwilliam: does AF-1 have a opening door like in back like in the movie?? Like for emergies drops or anything??? my guess would be NO, but then again, who knows
26 SATL382G: Your guess would be correct. No ramp door. No escape capsule either. ... But there are doors on AF1 that no (as far as I know) other 747 has, namely
27 USAFMXOfficer: Don't know if it is an urban legend, but apparently Clinton thought there was an escape capsule on AF1 after seeing the movie.....
28 SATL382G: I hadn't heard that one... but given Clintons troubles with the military early on in his administration I wouldn't be surprised if the crew tried to
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