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What Happened To The Fighting Falcon?  
User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

I was flipping through Aviation Week's 2004 Aerospace photo awards issue and I ran across a picture of an F-16 that was dubbed "viper" instead of "Fighting Falcon" or "Falcon". This isn't the first time that I have seen this, but it reminded me of it. I did a search of the forum and it didn't turn up anything. Any help would be apperciated!

TW


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

"Viper" is a nickname for the F-16 Fighting Falcon, in the same sense that "Warthog" is a nickname for the A-10 Thunderbolt II, or "Aardvark" is a nickname for the F-111. It's a common-enough nickname that even laymen use it from time to time, and sometimes more often than the actual DoD-given name.


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User currently offlineNightHawk117 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Even though the F-16 is OFFICIALLY titled as the 'Fighting Falcon', the name 'Viper' is what the pilots and maintainers call it.

It's similar to the A-10 'Thunderbolt II'....even though most people know it as the 'Warthog'.



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5386 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

Like N328KF points out - in one of those instances of pilots dubbing their aircraft with another nickname (Thunderbolt II/Warthog, Lancer/Bone), F-16 pilots felt their maneuverable aircraft had resemblance to the Viper fighters on "Battlestar Galactica" (which, lest we forget, was on TV as the USAF began wide-spread introduction of the F-16) and thus dubbed them "Vipers."

Again, the official Air Force name remains Fighting Falcon, but most everyone I know of refers to it as the Viper.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

There are other instances, too. For instance, the F-15 was sometimes called the Starship...though I haven't heard that nickname in recent years, for whatever reason.


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User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Interesting.... Thanks for the replies. I figured that DoD wouldn't rename the Fighting Falcon but I wasn't sure. That clears things up now.

TW



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

The Fighting Falcon was originaly planned to be named the Falcon, but Dassault screamed bloody murder over the fact that it was selling a line of buisness jets with that name, and that name was copyrighted, so the F-16 became the "Fighting Falcon".

The Viper nickname, I think became more prevelent after Lockheed bought the line from General Dynamics.



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User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

This sounds almost silly now, but I remember the "Viper" nickname as being borrowed from the good-guy fighters in the 1970s "Battlestar Galactica" series.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4343 times:
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The military has a long history of taking the manufacturers official name and calling the piece of equipment whatever seems appropriate.

Some examples include the already mentioned Aardvark (F-111), Warthog (A-10), and Viper(F-16), and we can add to this Snake (Cobra AH-1), Humvee (Hummer), Huey (UH-1 Iroquois, nee HU-1 prior to redesignations hence HUEY), the Pig (M-60 or M-240G GPMG..carry one to know why), and others. It is a sign of acceptance from the troops to name their equipment. It is also common amongst the US military to give something a name other than the official one just to maintain a level of independence and rebellion which seems to be in our nature.



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User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

The Battlestar Galactica lineage makes sense for the F-16. I had always thought it was because it looked like snake the way the fuselage overhung the intake.

It is hard to think of the B-52 as anything but a "BUFF" or an A-7 as a "SLUF".
Gary
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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4332 times:
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I forgot about the Scooter...the Douglas A-4.

We also called the C-5 FRED and the M-561 was called the Gama Goat. Now theres a vehicle I'd like to have, as long as it was under warranty.



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Let's not forget the other F-16 names....

Electric Jet and Lawn Dart

Your choice, based your experience with and opinion of the aircraft.

My choice? Lawn Dart... Why? I was about 150 yards away when this happened...

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123004976

edit: BTW if you enlarge the picture in the article and look at the very start of the debris/impact trail you can just make out the training Sidewinder round sticking out of the ground, just like a LAWN DART.....

[Edited 2004-12-29 19:38:06]

[Edited 2004-12-29 19:38:46]

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4291 times:

The German Luftwaffe call the F-4 Phantom "Eisenschwein" (Iron Pig), the MRCA Tornado is the "Klappdrachen" (folding kite, can also mean folding dragon) and for the C-160 Transall I´ve heard "Trall" and "Trallala".
The UH-1D is the "Teppichklopfer" (carpet beater" due to it´s flapping rotor noise.

Jan


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4266 times:
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The Republic F-104 Thunderchief was called the Thud, and they called the EA-6Q the queer.

SATL...Usually they refer to the pilots who eject as lawn darts. Have you made the trip up to Warner Robins to see the Air Force museum? Sometimes you can catch General Scott there.



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5386 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

In addition to the EA-6B being the Queer, carrier decks are home to Turkeys (F-14), Plastic Bugs (F/A-18A-D), Rhinos (F/A-18E/F), Hoovers (S-3s), and Hummers (E-2s).


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4263 times:
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We should not forget the infamous Vomit Comet, better known as the MH-53 Pave Low Helos. At least that was my name for the damn things.


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

DL021, there is the Lockheed F-104 Starfighter and the Republic F-105 Thunderchief.

And the only thing I've heard referred to as the Vomit Comet is the NASA 707 used in parabolic flights for zero G training.

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User currently offlineNightHawk117 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

HaveBlue,

Wasn't the 'Vomit Comet' a modified KC-135?


For an aircraft having many 'nicknames', try the F-117A. It is officially known as the 'Nighthawk'. But, it's had many colorful nicknames, such as...


Black Jet
Wobbly Goblin(although F-117 pilots claimed they have NEVER called it this)
Scorpion
Cockroach/Stinkbug
Shaba(was the Saudis nickname for them during Desert Strom)
Cubists' Nightmare
Iraqi Revenue Service
Skunk Jet



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

NightHawk, very possibly and probably, but I was speaking generically.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4136 times:
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HaveBlue....you are correct sir. The F-105 Thunderchief. Very embarrassing for me to have erred, I make the zero-meter-effective-range excuse that I have been sick in bed for two days and my self-edit feature is not in nominal operating range.

I remember when the 116th at Dobbins had Thuds and they still had battle damage from Vietnam. They would practice making repairs with Dr. Pepper cans cut open and flattened over the holes held in place with metal staplers. Now that was an airplane!

As for the big-giant-badass helicopter, you will see that I said that was my name for it. I only flew on them a few times and it was usually NOE and I was always sitting next to guys who were distinctly ill from the flying. I was not feeling so well myself, either. Its like riding a sideways rollercoaster that jumps up and down, while you are trying to hang on to all your crap, and not lose track of your barf bag. The crew chiefs always had plenty of those on hand and gave instructions to use them as they did not wish to clean the floors.

But the NASA KC-135A (since retired and one now a gate guardian the other sold for parts) turbojet hotrod was definitely my source of inspiration for the name.



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User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

MPC models put out a F-84 "Thunderchief" kit in Thunderbird markings in the late 1970s. It is one of my prized kits that is for the box art and not the plastic inside. They later reissued the kit with the proper title.

I saw the Georgia ANG flying the last few F-105Gs in July as they were transitioning to the F-4D. It was an awesome plane to see in the air.
Gary
Cottage Grove, MN



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4077 times:
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I was a kid when my Dad would take us over the Dobbins to see them take off and fly over. Those were some big, loud birds.

I remember when the Phantom came to town, and then when we got F-15's which were replaced by the Bones. Now we have the most important National Guard wing yet, E-8's, but they are pretty vanilla to look at and you have to go down to middle Georgia to see them.

I was lucky enough to have to rig up on the ramp several times for jumps out of the OV-10's from the NAS or 130's from Lawson and we got to see the Eagles up close. The CO let us sit in one of the birds once and that was a blast.



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

No problem DL021, hope you feel better.


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