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F-16s For The Italian Air Force  
User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1381 posts, RR: 7
Posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Hello,
this already an old news in Italy but I think it is pretty fresh for this brand new forum.
The Italian Air Force, during the 1999 Allied Force Campaign over Kosovo, realized that its Air Defence instrument was no more responding to current threats so decided to look for an interim fighter in order to fill the gap untill the first EF-2000 TIFONE Squadron will be Combat Ready, in 2008.
After some months of comparison between the F-16, the Mirage 2000-5 and the renewal of the leasing of 24 RAF Tornado F.3, the Air Force finally opted for a leasing from the USAF of some F-16s.
The deal involves 38 machines: 30 F-16A-15 ADF (Air Defense Fighter), 4 F-16B-15 and 4 more for spares.
The fighters are former Air National Guard ADF variants, capable of firing AIM-7, AIM-120 and AIM-9 missiles.
So Italy becomes the 21st Nation to use the best selling Fighting Falcon / Viper.
The first examples are expected for the beginning of 2003.
I am happy of this decision and I can't wait to see an F-16 with my national colours but I want to add this:

LONG LIVE THE STARFIGHTER!!!!!

Ciao

Stefano

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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Long live the Starfighter! While the bird is definately a beauty and one of the last true "Gunfighters", Italy will definately be better served by the General Dynamic's F-16As and F-16Bs. Now, don't jump on me and say Lockheed Martin. These are A and B models, and were therefore produced during the General Dynamics control of the line.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1381 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Don't worry CX747,
I am not going to jump on you because I know you are right.
You are right also when you say that Italy will be better served by the F-16s.
Italian Governments should have replaced the Glorious Starfighters 15 to 20 years ago, with F-4s, F-15s (very unlikely) or F-16s. Anyway, in a few year period Italy will be one of the most powerful Nations in Europe with EF-2000s Typhoons, Tornados, AMXs and later hopefully JSFs.....

Ciao

Stefano


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

What type of F-16s is Italy preparing to receive? Are they A and B models? Also, if they are ex-Air National Guard Aircraft, that would mean that they were placed in storage. Are these airplanes coming from AMARC?


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1381 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2490 times:

Italian Air Force will receive 30 F-16A-15ADF updated to the Falcon 2000 programme and 4 F-16B-15ADF in Falcon Up update. 4 more non updated examples will be used as spares. Engines will be the upgraded PW F100-PW-220.
I don't think those aircrafts will come from the Amarc but directly from ANG reserves after they will undergo the rehabilitation process.
Italian F-16s will join the following groups:

12° and 21° Gruppo (Squadron) of the 36° Stormo (Wing)

23° Gruppo of the 5° Stormo

18° Gruppo of the 37° Stormo

In the 36th Wing they will replace the 24 RAF Tornado F.3 whose leasing will expire in 2004 while in the other Squadrons they will replace F-104ASA-M Starfighters.

Ciao

Stefano


User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

i heard a long time ago that they will buy fulcrums.
But that didn't happen even mig-29 are bether and cheaper than f-16a. But they realised that they won't need fulcrums


User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1381 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Actually Italian Air Force evaluated the Fulcrum considering either new built or second hand examples. The IAF Chief flew on SU-27 and MiG-29 (as well as on a lot of other Soviet and Chinese built fighters).
The problem with it is Nato interoperability.
And of course it is still far the time when a Western Country, Nato memeber, will buy its fighters from Russia.

Ciao

Stefano


User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

YES that's truth!
Hey stefano can you tell me where will falcon be situated, because I leave near Aviano and I want to go to take a look of this planes


User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1381 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Hey Cobra27,
I'm sorry for you but all F-16 Squadrons will be located in Southern Italy and Sicily. Since the end of the Cold War the threat for Italy doesn't come from the North East anymore but from the Balcans and from South.
36th Stormo is based in Gioia del Colle, Puglia (South East tip of Italy) While 37th is in Sicily.

Ciao

Stefano


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Are you sure that the aircraft will be coming directly from Air National Guard Units? I didn't think that the U.S. Military used the F-16A any more at all. I might be mistaken though as the statement only covered the U.S.A.F. and reserves. I would have thought that even the ANG would operate the F-16C/D now.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

cx747 - if you ask me all falcons will comew from ANG- i heard that before they even order f-16


cobra27


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

They will be leased US surplus aircraft. That means either ANG or AMARC (ANG replacing As with Cs. As would normally go to AMARC).
All may be handled through AMARC to ease processing.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Thanks for the clarification. If anybody gets any new information please let me know.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
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