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Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.  
User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

Hi Folks...
A question regarding the past aircraft of both the Blue Angels & the Thunderbirds. Which aircraft did they have in common? Or to put it another way...what same aircraft model did they both use? I can only think of one... the F-4 Phantom. Were there any others? All replies appreciated. Regards.


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

The F-4 Phantom was the only plane used by both the USAF Thunderbirds and the USNavy Blue Angels. Both, iirc, from 1969-72, with one or the other perhaps using them til '74.

The F-4 is also the only fixed wing combat aircraft used by the USMC, USAF and USN... the US Army of course not being allowed to have fixed wing combat aircraft.

Great plane!



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Thanks, HaveBlue. You've put to rest that nagging question for me. A great, and now classic aircraft indeed.  Wink Regards.


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (reply 1):
The F-4 Phantom was the only plane used by both the USAF Thunderbirds and the USNavy Blue Angels. Both, iirc, from 1969-72, with one or the other perhaps using them til '74.

The F-4 is also the only fixed wing combat aircraft used by the USMC, USAF and USN... the US Army of course not being allowed to have fixed wing combat aircraft.

Great plane!


USAF and USN (not certain about the USMC) have all also operated the A-7 (which would have been fun to see as an aerobatic team aircraft). Though not all combat-used, all 3 services have operated the F-16 as well.



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (reply 1):
The F-4 is also the only fixed wing combat aircraft used by the USMC, USAF and USN... the US Army of course not being allowed to have fixed wing combat aircraft.


The Skyraider was used by USAF, USN, and by USMC. Under different MDSs of course....

http://skyraider.org/skyassn/index.htm

http://www.abledogs.com/

[Edited 2005-03-05 15:18:14]

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (reply 1):
... the US Army of course not being allowed to have fixed wing combat aircraft.


Ahh yes. But I do recall OV-1 Mohawks with .50 cal in a pod under the wing, and of course, my favorite, the L-19 with rockets.

The rockets were not offensive weapons, of course, they were just to mark targets. That is why we used "HE Smoke" with a 30 meter burst radius - to mark targets.

Very few aircraft bought by all branches. The Huey. The UH-60 I beleive, in its many variants. The C-47 was fairly common in the Vietnam era Army.



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

Turning away from the combat role for a moment...how about the C-130 Herk?
Of course we know the USAF & the USMC has them, perhaps the USN as well?
Thanks for all of the replies so far, folks. Regards.



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Spacepope, the last time I made this comment someone replied with the A-7, and I thought perhaps the A-7 was the exception. However, it was determined that the SLUFF was never used by the Marines.

SATL382G, it appears that the A-1 is indeed the exception. So I'd have to modify my comment to say that the F-4 was the only jet combat aircraft used by all 3 services  Smile

SlamClick, every time I make the comment and think about the USArmy the OV-1 pops into my head. But even with the 50 cal I'm not sure it would be defined as a 'combat' aircraft. I know its splitting hairs at some points, and I wasn't even aware that the Mohawk had ever had the cannon (rather just when picturing Army fixed wing it is the closest thing to combat looking they had), but what was the 50 used for? Self defense or killing light targets? The bird dogs weren't forgotten, but they were clearly just observation planes with spotting duties.

About the Huey, yeah that's why I specified fixed wing. My old man flew the Huey in Nam and still flies them civilian today, so that has always been one of my babies, and almost everybody who had an oppurtunity to use the great UH-1 has at some point or another. Superbness that it is, heh. And yes, Blackhawk, Seahawk, Nighthawk, Jayhawk, adnauseum... the Hueys replacement is doing quite well with all depts.

FlagshipAZ yes the C-130 is used by all 3 as well. Good point, though not combat I hadn't thought of that one.

I heard the line about the F-4 being the only combat aircraft used by all the service a long time ago, and though there are non combat exceptions, I think I'll stick with it for the time being  Smile



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (reply 7):
SATL382G, it appears that the A-1 is indeed the exception. So I'd have to modify my comment to say that the F-4 was the only jet combat aircraft used by all 3 services


Northrop F-5 was also operated by all three services. F-5 was a jet combat aircraft, but it could be argued that USN & USMC never operated them in a combat role.


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

BTW: There was a fixed wing aircraft used in combat operations by the US Army, Navy, and Marines. The B-25 / PBJ. Not sure if the USAF used it in a combat role after USAF was formed.

regards


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

SATL382G...
I'm not sure about this, but the B-25 may have been used by the USAF in the late 1940s as a VIP transport. I remember seeing pics of the arcraft in this role, but again I'm not sure if the USAF has ever used it after the branch was spun off from the USAAF in 1947. Regards.



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Flagship,

I know USAF continued using the B-25 as a hack and VIP transport after it split off from the Army... I'm just not sure if it was used in a combat role.

regards


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

If I'm not mistaken the only time an F-5 has been used in a combat role is when we exported it to other countries. We have used it for advesary training and chase plane duties, but I don't think one of our F-5's have ever fired in anger. Could be wrong on that, but even if the USAF used the F-5 in combat (they did send a few to Vietnam), the USN and USMC certainly did not.


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

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Two words: Skoshi Tiger

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/PRPhotos/NorthropF-5.htm


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

Alrighty SATL382G, I stand corrected on the USAF F-5's. They clearly were used in combat. But they don't defy the F-4 statement, unless you can find that they were used by the USN and USMC in combat  Smile


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (reply 14):
unless you can find that they were used by the USN and USMC in combat


Nope, and I said so when I brought up the F-5.

Truth be told though, there are probably a number of combat types that were operated by all the services. If I wanted to do the digging I'd probably start with the Jenny, and then look at B-24, B-17, and Hudson. Trick being to find a USMC connection.....  Smile


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Quoting SlamClick (reply 5):
L-19 with rockets.


There also attempted to use the bird dog in a "Baby Puff" role. They mounted a pair of M60C's out the side so it could fire down into the center of a circle just like the AC-47/119/130's did.



Quoting HaveBlue (reply 7):
But even with the 50 cal I'm not sure it would be defined as a 'combat' aircraft.


In later life it ended it's service life as a spyplane carrying a SLAR. However it was developed as a FAC. Sort of in the same train of thought as the OV10.



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User currently offlineWilsonjcobb From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

I thought the original topic was what same aircraft did the B-Angels and T-birds fly at the same time. And that would be the F-4 Phantom. Long live the Phantom.

User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

That was the original topic Wilsonjcobb, and it was answered in the first reply. But I also thought it would be interesting to note that not only was the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom the only plane used by both services demo teams, but that it was the... let me word this carefully... the only fixed wing aircraft used in a combat role by the USAF, USN and USMC.

And since the original topic was answered in the first post, I don't think its a bad thing that the rest of the thread has dealt with the latter statement  Smile



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12061 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3130 times:

The USAF Thunderbirds flew the F-4E

The USN Blue Angels flew the F-4J

Nobody has mentioned the F-16Ns the Navy flew for a while, in the aggressor role. They were a Navy version of the F-16A with some of the F-16C avionics.

Of course, there was also the USN F-111B, IIRC 24 were built and flown to DM.

During WWII the B-17, B-24 and B-25 were operated by bothe the USN and the USAAF, at the same time.

The USMC operated the F-86 along side of USAF F-86s.

The USN also operated two KC-135As.


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1438 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3122 times:

The USAF ,USMC,USN and USAF all used the UH-1 Huey and it sure saw combat with all 4 services.


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3117 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 20):
The USAF ,USMC,USN and USAF all used the UH-1 Huey and it sure saw combat with all 4 services

UH-1s in combat with USAF? I thought it just ferried crews to the missile fields and Congress around D.C.....


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3113 times:

Glad to see my thread being used again. I certainly appreciate all of your replies & information, gentlemen. I've learned alot here just on this topic, even when it got slightly off track here, it was enjoyable all the same.
Keep them coming, guys. All the best.  Wink



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User currently offlineElcableguy77 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 523 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

Another aircraft that deserves some mention as serving in combat with multiple services is the H-60, used by all branches, to include the Coast Guard. I assume drug interdiction could be counted as combat.

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User currently offlineHemispheres From United States of America, joined May 2004, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3057 times:

Didn't the F-86 serve in all three services? Albeit under a different designation for the Navy/Marines as the FJ-2.


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25 Post contains images HaveBlue : Venus yes the Huey was operated by all the services, but I think a few helicopters would meet that criteria. That's why I said 'fixed wing' And Hemisp
26 Post contains links Hemispheres : Yeah the Marines had six squadrons that operated the navalized F-86, the FJ-2. This web page has a good history on the FJ-2 http://home.att.net/~jbau
27 TedTAce : Anyone know if the Angels are going to the super hornet?
28 Post contains images SnowJ : So much for the topic about Blue Angels and Thunderbirds.
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