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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5494 times:

very cool sites

http://www.k26.com/buran/Info/energia_-_buran.html



if you want to go to the best one of all go to


www.buran.ru


because it is in russian you first have to use this free web translation programme http://worldlingo.com/en/websites/url_translator.html


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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

here is another link


http://www.buran.ru/htm/molniya.htm


http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/mria&bu7.jpg













GOD THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT !!!!!!



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5382 times:

Or you can just click on the bottom right where it says English Version Alberchico  Smile


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

One of the prototypes used for inflight testing was for sal a while ago.



It could be used to do tourist flights with a burran..
http://www.buran.ru/htm/fotoinv.htm


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

Alberchico .....Fantastic Picture.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

the website claims that the buran was superior to the U.S Shuttle . Can anybody confirm this ?





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User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5194 times:
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Keesje:

Excellent picture - thats only the second I've ever seen with the turbojets mounted at the shoulders of the rear fuselage. They were mounted there for the early atmospheric flight tests.

BTW: I have seen Buran heat shield tiles for sale in catalogs of surplus Russian military hardware. They make great heat shields for the exhaust systems on homebuilt aircraft...


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5189 times:

Some interior pics on http://www.rc.overtop.ru/Buran.html

User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

the website claims that the buran was superior to the U.S Shuttle . Can anybody confirm this ?
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It was in terms of cargo capacity. You could say the US shuttle was more reusable because the Solid Rocket Boosters and main engines were reusable. The US orbiter is an integral part of its booster system, the Soviet orbiter was basically strapped on to an Energia rocket as payload.

Niether system was superior to the conventional rockets they were supposed to replace. They cost a great deal more per launch and the only real benefit they give is the ability to rendesvous with something in space and bring it back - and there are much cheaper and more effective means to get this capability if it is ever really needed. They were both boondoggles, and both space programs would have been much further along by now if niether had been built. NASA blind, and the Russians, also blind, followed what NASA was doing. When the blind lead the blind, both fall over a cliff.


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

I thought the only Buran was destroyed when the hanger it was in collasped due to high accumilation of snow? Was that why we couldn't use it while the US shuttle was grounded due to the Columbia accident?


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 9):
Was that why we couldn't use it while the US shuttle was grounded due to the Columbia accident?

"We" couldn't use it after the Columbia accident because the prototype had been sitting in a Moscow park for about a decade. Such a contigency wasn't even seriously considered post-Columbia. The Buran never reached opperational status.

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 5):
the website claims that the buran was superior to the U.S Shuttle . Can anybody confirm this ?

It would have been, but it never reached opperational capability...


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4996 times:

No cosmonauts ever even flew aboard Snowflake, or Snowstorm, or whatever Buran means, did they? Buran did have an advantage over the Shuttle in that it could be flown entirely by remote control. The Shuttle requires a crew.

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4969 times:
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Quoting Alberchico (Reply 5):
the website claims that the buran was superior to the U.S Shuttle . Can anybody confirm this ?

No. Buran never got past gliding prototype status and there were nigh insurmountable problems with systems integration and functionality.

It was a prestige project by the Soviets that did nothing more than assist in their bankrupting.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13967 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

AFAIK; there was one manned space flight with a prototype, but shortly afterwards the program ran out of funds.

Jan


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

There was never a manned spaceflight with the Buran. It flew one mission, by remote control. And never flew again.


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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4899 times:

So it is not destroyed? That's what I want to know. With proper funding and maintenence, can it be brought to life? or is it just old news?


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

Being as the USSR, with a then focused programme and with then less budgetary constraints and no overt political opposition struggled to make Buran operational, before the USSR imploded taking a large part of their space programme with it, I cannot imagine this long dormant programme coming back.

The last best chance was around 1992, when ESA finally dropped the vainglorious Hermes mini shuttle, they might have been minded to put some cash and maybe some help (avionic systems?) Russia's way to provide in a few years a alternate craft to the US Shuttle.

Buran was a terrible mistake, after the long delayed, technically fraught Soviet Manned Lunar programme, finally wound down in 1974, those who had fought hardest to achieve this, got what they wanted, a rival to the US Shuttle, which these Kremlin hard men had convinced themselves was some kind of orbital bomber, a first strike weapon against the USSR.
While Shuttle had military applications, these did not include being a weapon system itself.

Those in the Russian agency concerned with actual space exploration, who's worked on the Mir programme for example, were dismayed at Buran, seeing it as an unnecessary extravagance, they might have wanted an eventual Soyuz replacement, but something much more modest than Buran.
However, it is sad that the Energia vehicle was lost, that heavy lifter could have been very useful, considering NASA's apparent new commitment to exploration beyond Low Earth Orbit.


User currently offlineViper81176 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4756 times:

Just as an Information: at the moment the Testbed Buran 002 is sitting in the Desert in Bahrain. But the Spacecraft last year was sold to the Technik-Museum in Speyer, Germany (see: www.technik-museum.de) where it will be transported to during 2005.
The Buran 002 is the one used for the suborbital testflights (25 altogether) with separate engines.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

Energia is the really useful part in all of this. And I have to wonder how it would compare flying a Shuttle aboard the 747 versus the An-225. Wouldn't that be a sight?

User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

Buran was a terrible mistake, after the long delayed, technically fraught Soviet Manned Lunar programme, finally wound down in 1974, those who had fought hardest to achieve this, got what they wanted, a rival to the US Shuttle, which these Kremlin hard men had convinced themselves was some kind of orbital bomber, a first strike weapon against the USSR.
While Shuttle had military applications, these did not include being a weapon system itself.
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This is true. The Soviets knew even back then that the promise of low-cost access to space through the "reusable" shuttle was a pile of bull. They thought it was just a cover, and that the shuttle's primary purpose was military. They gave us way to much credit. NASA really believed its own bull. When this became clear to everyone, it was to late and the damage had already been done. Both space programs stagnated as money fell into the shuttle sinkhole and competition died down.


User currently offlineJamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4196 times:

I'm not sure exactly how many Buran protytpes there were, but I've heard that if you count those that weren't completed it could have been as many as ten.

I visited one of them in (?) 1998 or 1999 on a school trip to Moscow: one of them is in Gorky (?) Park right beside the River Moskva, and there is a fairly lame space 'simulator' inside. One of the female attendants was particularly sniffed at my schoolboy question as to why Buran looked so much like the American shuttle.

Her responce was along the lines of: "It's a space shuttle, space shuttles look like this..."

Memories of Concordski... a potentially superior lookalike that never had the chance.

*j*


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

I don´t think the Buran was a mistake, no Buran, no AN-225.
As far as it´s result, 2 orbits and pretty burnt when landing by remote controll, 50cm from the center line on the landing strip...


User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

I don´t think the Buran was a mistake, no Buran, no AN-225.
As far as it´s result, 2 orbits and pretty burnt when landing by remote controll, 50cm from the center line on the landing strip...
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Do you realize what could have been done with the money spent on Buran had it been spent wisely? Yes, the AN-225 looks cool. As does the Buran itself. But having a Mir as big as the fully built ISS, or even a manned trip to Mars, would have been better. The Shuttle should have been a game ending mistake for us in space. The Russians would be calling all the shots in space had they not followed our folly. And there would be plenty left to build a jumbo cargo plane, if thats what interests you.


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