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Is Aurora Out There?  
User currently offlineSpectre From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Ok guy's..an old chestnut I suppose, but does Aurora exist? Is 'Area 51' still active? What is the next F-117 going to be?

Deuce50boom
How about getting your camera out when the 'Black' planes need a top-up  Innocent

Dave

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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6305 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

1) Yes but not what you think it is.
2) Yes but not waht you think it is.
3) F-22 or F-23.

Steve



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1191 times:

Aurora is funding for B-2 purchase
A51 does exist. It is just another airfield in the Nevada dessert
F-117 replacement will probably be an unmanned version of what is now being develloped as JSF. There is a lot of pressure to kill JSF.



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User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

sorry dude, but before you refuel "special" planes, you have to sign a form saying that you won't reveal anything about it. and no picture taking either.

it's an easy choice between taking a picture and at the very least having your clearance revoked and getting kicked out of the air force, at the very worst going to prison and living the rest of your life with a federal prosecuted felony on your record, or not taking a picture and living the good life.


User currently offlineFireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

aurora lives it's not possible that the us can't make military plane faster than 2.5 machs
http://www.fighter-planes.com/fullsize/aurora.jpg


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

nice artist rendition of a model of NASP painted black superimposed on a photo of the Nevada desert.


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6305 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

Came right off a Revell model box didn't it. The Aurora is not a real airplane, sort of. Do a little searching and you can find a picture of a real Aurora. You might be surprised at what you find though.


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User currently offlineFireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

well i like this model but i would be greatfull if you post a link with the picture of "real" aurora

User currently offlineSpectre From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1148 times:

Deuce50boom

And there was me, thinking you tanker guys really enjoyed living in the fast lane taking chances and stuff.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I'm not sure if flying around strapped to umpteen gallons of avgas is living the good life or not, but each to their own.  Acting devilish
BTW, I met a tanker guy at a UK airshow a few years ago and he was wearing a patch (unofficial?) with YCKAWTG (You can't Kick Ass Without Tanker Gas) on it. I thought it was pretty cool and tried to buy it off him. Any ideas were I can get one from??

Regard
Dave


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6305 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

Sorry I can't provide a link but there is an aircraft named Aurora that was built. Just remember, I wrote that is will not be what you expect. Hint : RCAF


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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

Well known fact, Piedmont. I think there are others as well. But given the rest of the question, the logical reasoning was that the poster was inquiring into the USAF Aurora budget item which was a cover for B-2 funding.


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User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

dude, flying on a tanker is awesome. you got receivers to refuel, cargo to carry, female passengers to bring back to the boom pod. it's the good life. and every time a fighter guy says that we're fat dumb and happy, i just remind him that he's the one who has to piss in a tube. and that we can get up and stretch and enjoy a nice hot meal cooked in our ovens. they shutup pretty quick.

regarding the patch. in amc (air mobility circus) morale patches aren't supposed to be worn. but just about every boom i know (don't know about loads) wears one at one time or another. apparently the powers at be think that morale should be issued, and in this case not issued. best way to get one is to ask the guy in the bag. or go to a patch shop and have them make it. most guys i know get there's in korea or okinawa.


User currently offlineMark From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

Anyone who thinks that the USAF would retire the SR-71 fleet without having a proven aircraft that's better & faster to replace it with is obviously living in fantasyland. I'm also confident that NASA has technology that can go to the moon and back before lunch and have had it for many years, but getting them to admit it is another story.

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6305 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

Very true. I knew what the question meant. The fact is that in the context used in the question, no, Aurora does not exist as an aircraft. The answer has been given as to what Aurora was.
As for something to replace the SR-71. Oh yeah! It exists. I have no idea what it is though. I have seen very, very strange light patterns over the desert for years now. For those many of you who have never seen a satellite pass overhead, it is a very unmistakable sight. A dot of light from horizon to horizon in 30 seconds or so. Now imagine that dot of light stopping halfway across, and several seconds later being met by two other dots with navigation lights. Hmm.... I mentioned this to a buddy who is a retired Air Force intelligence Colonel and he just smiled. Whether this meant I saw something real or, he thought I was crazy, I don't know. He can never answer though.

As for area 51, it really is nothing more than a very secure flight test base.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

Mark. The USAF can only fly so many aircraft. When budgets get tight they will keep those that the customer likes best (being Capitol Hill), which are the big bombers and the sleek jetfighters.


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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

What most people think is Area 51 is actually a base near by Groom Lake, Nevada. The place has been shutdown since 1996 due to intense radiation fallout over the decades of nuclear waste or testing from before, or that's what they say. I think the movie ID4 created such a breach of security that it could not be sealed – the base that does not exist got popular!  Smile

Supposedly it moved 200mi-west of near White Sands and that the "Aurora" (or Senior Citizen or TRW-583) was the last program there, supposedly, who knows.

Don't think that our government wont lies to you about covert operations; it's their job. They learned from the Oxcart (blackbird aircrafts) program and the Nighthawk, don't be gullible and never stop asking. No one will acknowledge its existence until long after its retirement (c.2035+); sort of like that uglyass plane "Tacit Blue."  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

dude, just reading a popular mechanics article from a few years ago doesn't make you an expert on area 51. and contrary to the commercial, neither does staying at a holiday inn express the night before. the truth is you have no idea of what goes on there or any other sensitive installation like it. so don't be preaching about something you don't know.

User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3376 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1084 times:

"so don't be preaching about something you don't know. "

Does this mean the thread is now officially closed? I don't believe I have ever met anyone who knows anything for sure about the black prgrammes, bases and budgets. If someone does happen to know anything, they sure as hell didn't tell me, nor anyone else I know.

If you are an insider, or know an insider, please set us strait and reveal all you know. I know you won't reveal anything (insider or not) so till then, it is fun speculating.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

look. it's one thing to speculate about the planes that are being tested, and stuff like that. i object to those who say rumors as if they were a proven fact. like saying the base was closed. as if he knows. and as far as independance day. what does a movie got to do with it? most of america knew about the place long before that movie ever came out. so will smith driving into the hollywood version of it wasn't like a wakeup call to america or anything. if i'm not making sense, it was a long day today. game on

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

I believe it is not active, is that better for you? I read that article too, I went out there a while back and nobody arrested me for trespassing. Though I didn't go that far, I didn't see the base itself.

"and as far as independance day. what does a movie got to do with it? most of america knew about the place long before that movie ever came out."

From the 70's until the incident with the former Area 51 employee in 1989, most Americans just didn't care. ID4 simply highlighted and popularized Area 51; it was probably coincidence that the "action" happened to fade out. Remember this base does not officially exist so they don't have to adhere to laws and regulations, I'm sure it was closed because of radiation (they tested the nukes nearby for years.)

I might not know everything but that doesn't mean I spread rumors as if they were proven fact. If you don't buy it, fine, go research it yourself. I'm just giving my reply to your topic, I'm a fan of Aurora not Area 51, a'ight?

Peace out dude,

Lehpron



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

Groom Lake was never officially opened except for a short period when the F-117s were stationed there. Therefore it is pointless to say it is closed.

Area51 is not a base at all, it is just a patch of desert in which Groom Lake is located.
There are lots of AreaXX out there, they are part of the USAF training facilities in the Nevada dessert, headquartered in the vicinity of Las Vegas.



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User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1051 times:

Lehpron- it's cool dude.

on a different note. area 51 was never officially opened. at anytime. the us govt acknowledged the existence of a test facility there in 97 or 98. but that was it. it's been a secret facility since it was first built in the 1950's. also, except for testing the f-117's were never stationed there. the active f-117 squadrons were stationed at the tonopah test range in nevada, until they were declassified and moved to holloman in the early 90's.


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

ah, yes. Got the two mixed up again  Smile


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User currently offlineCYKA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

They probably want us to belive that its closed when in fact it isin't. Reverse psychology or something. I dont think they would be stupid enough to test nukes nearby withour realizing the effects the radiation might have. The Janet 737's still fly out of LAX, ferrieng workers to the base.


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User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1051 times:

i don't know. i think that the radiation might have had something to do with why the base had so much appeal. i mean how many spotters would willingly go into an area where nukes had been recently tested? so maybe that was part of the reason they chose to build there. that and a dry lake bed is a perfect runway.

plus, i wouldn't count out the govt from doing dumb things. they're really not as smart as alot of people think.

btw, do the janet flights still go out of las vegas as well?


25 Lehpron : If the Janet crafts are still in operation from either Vagas or L.A., then the area is still active in a sence, but what kind of activity? I haven't h
26 Jwenting : Just to remind you that the last above-ground nuclear test at the Nevada testsite is over 40 years ago. If there were increased levels of radiation du
27 Lehpron : "If there were increased levels of radiation due to nuclear testing in the area, those levels will have long since dropped to normal" Let me remind yo
28 Jwenting : Please reread your nuclear physics... The radiation levels from and Pu and U released during above-ground explosions are not harmfull. What causes har
29 Propatriamori : So where does the USAF keep the "aquired" Russian aircraft supposedly used for testing, air combat training, etc. I thought I read somewhere that a US
30 Post contains links and images SJC-Alien : I've only known the JANET flights to operate out of McCarran-Las Vegas, but I've haven't been able to get a ticket yet. A good source of Area 51 info
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