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Brac (Base Realignment And Closure) Is Coming...  
User currently offlineUSAFMXOfficer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 174 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9283 times:

BRAC commission initial list of suggested military bases for closure is due on May 16th. ...... was wondering everyone's thoughts about which bases should be on the list.

We are hearing in ACC (Air Combat Command, USAF) that 45% of our force structure will be affected.


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9278 times:

The local base here, Moody, was on the list last time and is thought to be a sure thing this go around. Lots of military installations in Georgia and Moody may well be the sacrificial lamb to keep the others open.

Lots of folks in my neighborhood would be impacted.


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9270 times:

San Diego already has North Island and Imperial Beach, so Miramar MCAS can go so it can become SAN, like it should have been 3 years ago (the vote was in 1994 to start construction in 1997 and be complete by 2001).

[Edited 2005-04-02 23:22:54]


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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9268 times:

Maybe McGuire AFB NJ.


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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9267 times:

Anyone know if Buckley AFB on Denver is on the list or possibly will be? Seems like they don't really do much of anything there as far as flying activities go...

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9261 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 2):
San Diego already has North Island and Imperial Beach, so Miramar MCAS can go so it can become SAN, like it should have been 3 years ago (the vote was in 1994 to start construction in 1997 and be complete by 2001).

Agree, the Navy should have closed Miramar when they moved the Tomcats to Oceana and the Hawkeyes to Point Magu. Instead they went through the expense of moving the Navy out, closing El Toro and Tustin and then moving the Marines down to Mirarmar.

However I would be surprised if they do close Mirarmar. The Navy spent a lot of money improving the base when the Marines moved there. In addition if you were to close it you would have to find another place for the Marines. On the west coast the choices are somewhat limited. There's Lemoore which already has Hornet units. The problem with that is there's no hanger space available. They would have to go on a massive construction effort to house not only the planes but the people. The same would go for Yuma.


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9252 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5):
The Navy spent a lot of money improving the base when the Marines moved there.

I was in Europe with the Air Force when the downsizing happened in the late eighties and early nineties. The joke then was that if a base had new facilities (specifically a new commissary) it was sure to close. Things sure seemed to work that way.

One base, Comiso (sp?), was brand new and had barely opened when it closed. God only knows how much $$$ we flushed there.

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User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9245 times:

Quoting Galaxy5 (Reply 3):

Really?? I would have thought that McGuire, as the East Coast home of the AMC would be safe for certain! Not to mention their joint use with Fort Dix.

Of course, AMC should have moved to Plattsburgh or even Loring back in 1995, but politics got ahold of that one.


User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9242 times:

Dear God please close Tinker.
Oklahoma is one of the few states that was not effected by the last few rounds of BRAC so folks think Altus or Tinker could go.
I can only hope. I hear rumours from friends at Hill that they could close also.
The Air Force has realised they can contract out the depot level work and I think that will happen more and more over the next few years.

flyf15-Buckley just became a "full-up" base a few years ago, so I doubt it would close, but stranger things have happened. There is a push to make Ellington Field in Houston a Joint Reserve Base like the former Carswell (now NAS Ft Worth JRB).

I remember when Bergstrom closed-- my ROTC detachment got a lot of their goodies. Much of that base was brand new, so as noted above anything is possible with BRAC.

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User currently offlineC17loadmstr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9233 times:

I would love to see Altus close. What a god awful location for transport / tanker training. The reference about new commissaries and base closures is pretty true. I remember supervisors telling me about Chanute closing...the gates were closed and yet construction continued on the commissary until it was completed.

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9227 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 6):

I was in Europe with the Air Force when the downsizing happened in the late eighties and early nineties. The joke then was that if a base had new facilities (specifically a new commissary) it was sure to close. Things sure seemed to work that way.

One base, Comiso (sp?), was brand new and had barely opened when it closed. God only knows how much $$$ we flushed there.

New facilities definitely does not spare a base from the BRAC axe. When the decision was made to close NAS Glenview the Navy had just finished building a brand new barracks and I level maintenance facility. All to the tune of $11 million dollars.


User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9227 times:

Please close Shaw.  old 


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9217 times:
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Moody would seem to be a possible target, as Georgia was spared in previous rounds by virtue of Sam Nunn and Newt Gingrich being in positions of power. The NAS/ARB at Dobbins will probably escape the ax due to the Lockheed facility being open, but Ft. Gillem and the Marine depot at Albany may be at risk. As far as bases that probably will not be affected Forts Stewart, Gordon and Benning are fairly secure and Robins AFB, Hunter Army Airfield, Kings Bay Naval Base and the Garden City Port Terminal should be OK. I don't know how much it would cost to move 3rd Army and FORSCOM from Fort MacPherson, but it was considered the last time.

It would, however, be logical to assume that some Senators with long memories would not be averse to seeing Georgia assume its "fair share" of BRAC cuts. I think that every base in GA earns its keep, with the possible exception of Fort Gillem whose facilities are not exactly unique and the units housed there could easily be moved elsewhere.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7388 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9203 times:
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It think that Dobbins ARB, GA is a prime candidate to closed or realigned. The Navy is alleged to be pulling out. I can't see it surviving the next round of base closures. McGuire AFB is much to important, and has too much strategic need, with it being in Ft Dix. It's almost like saying the gov't will close Pope AFB. Another place which could be closing is Pt Mugu. I drill out of there and since VC-3, VXE-6 has decommed, there is talk that the Navy composite squadrons may move to China Lake, and AF Reserve units may go to Nellis AFB. Miramar is another place that is feeling heat. The branch of service I see getting cuts, is the Army. And I see the reserve forces and National Guard getting some additional money, with the Rummy's plan for a fast deploying, lean, ,mean fighting force. But who knows.


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User currently offlineUSAFMXOfficer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9198 times:

One of the big initiatives supposedly during this BRAC will be for "Joint basing". The line of thinking being that it is cheaper to have one base's worth of infrastructure supporting two (or more) service's units colocated at the same base. Already existing joint bases like Pope would seem to be safe under this way of thinking. However, bases like Cannon, McConnell would seem to be targets.

As far as the Air Force depots go, we already went from 5 to 3 major depots during the last BRAC (McClellan and Kelly Depots closing). I don't see any more depot contraction during this round.

And don't start me on "outsourcing"...I.E. Contracting out areas of the military. I am NOT a proponent of the widespread use of this....I can tell you stories of cost growth in the outyears of support contracts that started out "cheap" but now cost the taxpayers hundreds of millions. It seems as if every new weapon system being brought on board is leaning towards contract maintenance and support.....NOT the way to go long term. Blue suit is cheaper--I can show you the numbers......

...now, off my soap box.....



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9185 times:

One thing I think they should do is to move operations of Guard or Reserve Units away from Civilian airports and to consolodate at existing Military fields, for example..

In Maine the Maine ANG flies KC-135s from Bangor, a civilian airport. While the Navy flies P-3s from Brunswick which is a Department of Defense facility, why not have the ANG share Brunswick Naval Air Station with the Navy.

Here in NJ the 177th FW flies out of Atlantic City Airport (Civilian), why not relocate to Lakehurst Naval Air Enginering Station. The NJ Army National Guard is moving their helicopters from West Trenton Airport (Civilian) to Lakehurst.

In Delaware the Delaware ANG flies C-130s from Newcastle airport (Civilian), why not consolidate at Dover. Or better yet, have the Delaware ANG switch their C-130s with the NY ANG's C-5s. And have them move their operations to Dover where they can share equipment or training expenses.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9173 times:

Elmendorf and Eieleson will stay open. So will Ft. Wainwright. I do not see the need for Ft. Richardson any longer - other than it offers old soldiers like me some reality from the near by, and more populated AF Base  biggrin .

Problem with Ft. Richardson is the guvment has tossed $Billions into it for all new barracks, dining facilities and motorpools - as well as a complete renovation of the housing - taking what was 8 unit buildings and making them 4 unit buildings and adding a garage for each!

So, I don't suspect to see it go. Oh, did I mention Uncle Ted Stevens, the great benefactor of Alaska . . . who's Chairmanship of the Senate Appropriations Committee has recently expired, but who is the President Pro-Tempore of the Senate . . . he is a vicious man when provoked. Nothing up here will close.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9172 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
Elmendorf and Eieleson will stay open

I heard that Elmendorf was going to be recieving 60 F-22's to replace the F-15's. Dont know how true it is.


User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

Does Ft. Richardson have any regular Army units based there?

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5328 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9159 times:

Quoting Covert (Reply 11):
Please close Shaw.

Shaw, more than likely, will get bigger. McEntire ANGB will probably close and its F-16s moved over to Shaw.



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User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9154 times:

Quoting USAFMXOfficer (Reply 14):
As far as the Air Force depots go, we already went from 5 to 3 major depots during the last BRAC (McClellan and Kelly Depots closing). I don't see any more depot contraction during this round.

I wouldn't be to sure. The "signs" from "sources" point to at least Hill or Tinker closing.
I can only hope it is Tinker.

Garnet I heard the same about McEntire.

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User currently offlineDc1030guy From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9148 times:

This is in reference to McGuire AFB being on the BRAC list...

The best thing McGuire has going for it is that there are 32 KC10s, (soon) 12 or so C-17s, as well as an entire ANG unit with KC-135s and a C-32. None of these are small airplanes. You would need a lot of empty ramp space at existing facilities in order to close McGuire. Personally, I don't know of any bases which have that amount of space. Also, McGuire is in a nice location for divert issues ... especially since the C-17 sometimes has a problem getting across the pond with a lot of cargo.

On the flip side, McGuire sits in the middle of one of the busiest airspace in the world. We are a sore thumb to NY/Wash/Boston Center. Additionally, McGuire's runways are too short for KC-10s. Finally, probably the most important, Congressmen Saxton (saved McGuire during the last BRAC) said last year in an interview that he doubts McGuire, Ft Dix, Lakehurst, and Monmouth will remain open.

Just my two cents...

-Pat


User currently offlineNBGskygod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

Down here in New Orleans, the East and Westbank Naval Support Activities are on the list, along with NAS JRB New Orleans. The NSA bases are more or less planning to be cut and move to NAS. The NSA bases are on high priced land along the river and on the lake. NAS isn't planning on being cut although they are building a new galley, Exchange, Commesary, and they just finished extending runway 4/22 to 10,000 feet.


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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1438 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9091 times:

If anything about Oklahoma we would probably lose Vance or Altus, Vance is getting a bunch of new construction (the kiss of death) even though they have recieved their first T-6's to replace the T-37's. Tinker is a 24 hour a day base with the runway never closed expect for weather and IFE's with a TA on duty 16hrs 365 days a year. The Navy Tacamo mission keeps things busy there with AWACS still supporting Noble Eagle. I hear rumors of the logistics center closing which would send the Economy of OKC into a depression which it is the states largest employer.
I was at K.I. Sawyer AFB when it got the death sentence , we had great facilties, no local interference from operations ( no quiet hours) and the USAF's largest snow plow fleet, Michigan is a state the got hosed by the brac, I guess that is what you get when you have Sen. Levin and Congressman John Conyer fighting for you.
Oklahoma's other 2 military bases Fort Sill and Macalester Ammo plant look to be safe, it is kind of hard to move the worlds largest artillary range. Macalester is the only plant making ordinace for the military now which kind of makes it safe but we are dealing with the federal gov't here. Our 2 guard units the 137th (C-130's) OKC and the 138th( F-16's blk 42 Tulsa) are vulnerable, a rumor is flying around to move them to Tinker, interesting if you consider lack of ramp space unless the old cargo terminal is converted and a alot of new concrete is poured. Don't know to much about the OK Army NG though to give a educated guess on them.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9055 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 4):
Anyone know if Buckley AFB on Denver is on the list or possibly will be? Seems like they don't really do much of anything there as far as flying activities go...

There's alot of space command related activities going on there, hence the giant golf-ball domes enclosing huge satellite dishes (they had one uncovered once, the dish inside was freaking huge).

As far as Colorado goes, I don't think any bases will close.


25 ANCFlyer : Quite true - it was all over the news a few days back - somewhere in here is a thread on the subject. Yes, a full Brigade (Light) of Light Infantry,
26 Post contains images HawaiianHobo : I've got my money on Hill and Altus closing. I wish Tinker would go too (god awful base) but with AWACs there and all the facilities set up for it, ca
27 LMP737 : Please do tell! When I was stationed at NAS Miramar we had contractors doing work on aircraft flown by Navy pilots. However it made sense since the a
28 Venus6971 : Ive also heard Luke is vulnerable, with Phoenix engulfing it and morons buying house near it complaining about jet noise . I heard that Cannon in New
29 Duce50boom : I hope the "BRAC list" that circulates around the net is mostly true. I can accept quagmire (mcguire) not closing. But move the 10s somewhere more sou
30 JohnM : Duce50boom, yea I agree, Lakehurst would be a huge amount of work to make that airfield suitable. I operated out of there last summer, and there is no
31 Post contains links Garnetpalmetto : Duce - the most recent copy of the BRAC list I think you're referring to has Shaw on it as closing. Here's the full list, with rationale behind each
32 DL021 : Every state that has a facility on the list will come up with dozens of critical and legitimate reasons that their facility is vital to the defense of
33 Post contains links Garnetpalmetto : Gah, thanks for pointing out the link was bad. Here it is again, and I promise, it works this time http://www.g2mil.com/2005.htm
34 LeanOfPeak : It was the period that caused the problem.
35 DeltaMD11 : Well I'm afraid that the USN may be pulling out of NXX (NAS JRB Willow Grove) soon. The base has been on a decline over the last few years with only V
36 Jetjack74 : COMNAVRESFOR is currently reevaluating the role of the P-3 community. The Navy is looking decomming the reserve squadrons and making more augment uni
37 Nbgskygod : JetJock: They are planning the same deal at NAS JRB New Orleans (KNBG) We have 1 VR squadron right now, with the possiblility when VP-94 leaves that w
38 Jetjack74 : Right, VP-94's P-3's will go to COMPATWING at JAX, probably to VP-45 or VP-11. VR-64, at Willow Grove was the guinea pig, and VR-54 will probably get
39 DeltaMD11 : Jetjack, I doubt that the BRAC committee will get rid of NXX for exactly those reasons that you've mentioned above, but damn it just seems like the ba
40 Jetjack74 : Well, this is just a change in the strategic use of the base. It's good that it keeps getting new lease on it's life. Well, the reserve P-3's should
41 DeltaMD11 : They don't even utilize them on the drug patrols. Last year they stationed a USCS P-3 AWACS here for some time last spring/summer to do border patrol
42 Cadet985 : I can't see NASJRB Willow Grove closing. It's a crucial base for the PAANG and USAFR. Close Willow Grove, and I can't think of any place you could rea
43 Jetjack74 : People were terrified, back when the Marine Corps A-4 squadron decommed, and then H-53 helo unit, joined MAG49.
44 STT757 : The NJANG has the 177th Fighter Wing based at Atlantic City, they operate F-16s and have been doing CAP patrols over NYC and Washington DC since 9-11
45 Nbgskygod : That too is another reason why NBG will hopefully stay off the list, we are one of 3 Alert bases on the gulf coast. Ellington Field in Houston, and Ty
46 Fredplt : Anything said here is nothing but rumor, but I will add to it. From what I heard the Air Force will lose four bases. Beale, Altus, Shaw and Columbus.
47 Jetjack74 : There's a good chance that NXX could recieve a reserve F/A-18 squadron if the DOD closes or realigns Dobbins ARB/NAS Atlanta.
48 Jetjack74 : I'm told that Hanscom AFB in Bedford, MA is on the chopping block while Altus having the C-17/KC-135 Air Ops school being there makes it somewhat saf
49 Fredplt : Hanscom would be an excellent choice to close, no need for it to be there, but that would mean NO Air Force bases in New England, and that has been th
50 USAFMXOfficer : I can't imagine Cannon escaping this round of cuts......I mean, what, 3 F-16 squadrons?
51 Nbgskygod : There is still that ANGB out on Cape Cod, Otis I think. Thats close to an Air Force Base.
52 IcemanT37 : Very good comments here. The potential base closings don't concern me as much as the loss of fielded forces, which by some accounts could be staggerin
53 Fredplt : We have closed enough bases, its time we trim some of the wasted things that our government spends its money on (our tax dollars). How about less mone
54 USAFMXOfficer : You are correct to a point....one of the areas I am heavily involved with in my job at HQ ACC is Future Total Force (FTF). This is a Chief of Staff i
55 ANCFlyer : Absolutely concur! And spend some $$$ refurbishing some of our base housing - like they've done at Ft. Richardson and Elmendorf - start with housing,
56 STT757 : They are the closest fighter squadron to NYC.
57 Fredplt : ANCflyer, if they drink on base Security Forces would be waiting to pop them for DUI, or fro some kind of Misconduct even if they walked. I am tired o
58 Fredplt : Otis ANGB is pretty close to NYC too. There are a lot of fighter bases out there, and it seems like you can't throw a rock in the US without hitting a
59 RampRat74 : There was a article in the local Portland paper about the two Oregon ANG F-15 wings. The wing at LMT is the only F-15 training wing. They can move tha
60 AFHokie : There's four squadrons of F-16's at Cannon. When the 78th was deactivated here at Shaw in 2003, we sent some of our jets out there. Two fly block 30's
61 Post contains images DeltaGuy : I do agree on PNSY, Castle, and Dallas- but as a guy who grew up at Cecil, and who works a civilian job there now, I have to respectfully disagree on
62 Duce50boom : Haven't you gotten the memo? That's what the CP and their CCTV is for. Now if only they could turn their heads from whatever episode of Desperate Hou
63 Fredplt : HAHAHA!!!!! Very true, I actually like the new rent a cop gate cuards at Travis, they are nicer to us and they are more curteous, not so anal. I hope
64 STT757 : What about Homestead, I thought I read they still have AF Reserve units (F-16s) based there. If they still have F-16s at Homestead why not move them c
65 Post contains images ANCFlyer : They already do that . . . just trust me on that . . . along with the FOB in Curacao and Aruba . . .
66 STT757 : There's a Marine Corps KC-130 unit (Yankees?) based out of Stewart/Newburgh airport, Newburgh is a commercial airport so they are not going to close i
67 Duce50boom : Yeah Fred, those new cops are way better. Only thing that bothers me is seeing them salute the A-hole in front of me. That just rubs me the wrong way,
68 Post contains images DeltaGuy : NAS Jacksonville has alot of the DoD brand of cop. I have blue stickers on my car, and it's not like I really care if I get a salute or not, but these
69 Echster : STT757, Of course, everything here is speculation and conjecture, but with regards to Homestead, the rumor is the State of Florida is willing to build
70 Post contains links RampRat74 : Briggs AAF at Ft. Bliss was a bomber base in the past. It has plenty of ramp space for a airlifter wing. map Briggs ramp Closeup
71 KC135TopBoom : While looking at everyone's suggestions to "close my base" or "leave my base alone", I get the feeling that people do not understand the BRAC process.
72 Spartan13 : Well good news for the 138th FW based out of Tulsa International. As I was reading the thread the local news reported that the base would not be closi
73 Venus6971 : To this I here rumors that Luke is vulnerable with all the restrictions being put on it from the Phoenix Metro area engulfing it with the retiree com
74 Post contains links RampRat74 : Your right about Cannon. It has plenty of ramp space, and even a golf course on base. Cannon
75 STT757 : Why not move Southern Command to Tampa and move Central Commad to Germany, or would that make too much sense.
76 Theiler : I believe that many (most?) AFB's actually have golf courses on them - at least those not surrounded by suburbia.
77 ANCFlyer : One thing I always loved about the Air Force - unlike the Army - they build their billeting, community centers, golf courses, rec centers, dining dal
78 SATL382G : The Army has it's moments too. Check out Army billeting at Yongsan, built just a few years ago with shops, restaurants, gym, slots, commercial style
79 Covert : Air Force bases co-located with Army combat manuever unit posts. Oh my goodness, it makes so much sense. But how feasible is it?
80 KC135TopBoom : Like trying to mix oil into water.
81 Duce50boom : Yeah, go to Pope! A few days in Fayette-Nam will steer you back to the bright side. Co-located AF/Army bases reminds me of what happened when Pope had
82 Garnetpalmetto : Duce, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mountain Home at one time have KC-135s, B-1s, F-15Cs, F-15Es, and F-16Cs all based there at once (before th
83 Lt-AWACS : They are no longer the main ones used, Manta, Ecaudor is our new home. Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns, Capt-AWACS, New Mexico, Not New, Not Mexico
84 Duce50boom : Garnet, They sure did! IIRC F-4Gs and F/FB-111s were either stationed there along with the 5 others, or stationed at different bases and attached to t
85 Venus6971 : I remember it now, another bright ideal from that fighter pilot God Gen. Merrill Tony McPeak, When Cheney fired Gen Dugan as Chief of Staff and we en
86 SATL382G : From what I heard from the C-20 crews, McPeak did all the flyin' and the crews were responsible for whatever bad thing happened. Too bad Dugan couldn
87 Tedphil : McPeak was not the best general ever. Anyhow, what about closing northern bases like Grand Forks? They have to repave the runway every 4 years, which
88 Tedphil : which came first - Luke AFB or the Phoenix sprawl? Rule number 1 states: don't buy a house off the end of an F-16 training base runway. It is a shame
89 Echster : Why not move Southern Command to Tampa and move Central Command to Germany, or would that make too much sense. If you're going to move USCENTCOM, you'
90 Post contains links STT757 : "Rumsfeld: Base Closings May Be Reduced" WASHINGTON - The Pentagon now foresees a much smaller round of base closings and consolidations, saying it ha
91 JeffM : Trust me...Buckley is not about flying.....it's about the 'Golf Balls.'
92 Jwenting : There's isn't much left to close is there?
93 Jetjack74 : Well there are some bases overseas that could be closed. Rhien Mien Germany is one I could think of.
94 Post contains links KC135R : Heard today the percentage (originally 20-25%) is dropping down to about half that. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155751,00.html I read all the
95 Contact_tower : Too late dude, that's allready decided. They are moving to Ramstein and Spangdahlem.
96 ATLhomeCMH : I doubt anything will happen to Dobbins, and not just b/c of Lockheed. Its a major Reserve support facility for Army (Reserve and Georgia NG), Navy R
97 Jwenting : Would give FRA some much needed room for expansion.
98 C17loadmstr : Rhein-Main will officially close 31 Dec 2005. I know for a fact that the main lodging facilities will close their doors at the end of June. After tha
99 Jetjack74 : I know. I was just making the point that it needed to be closed and it was a long time coming. Most of the bases in Germany are basically redundant w
100 Echster : We'll see about MCLB Albany, could be. If it did get the ax, they'd probably just move everything up to MCB Camp Lejeune or near MCB Quantico. They li
101 Post contains links Garnetpalmetto : http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/11599328.htm An article from CAE's The State newspaper discussing base closure in SC. According to the article, t
102 L-188 : Everybody up here is waiting with baited breath to find out the status of Ft Rich. But considering that they share a lot line with Elemendorf AFB and
103 Post contains images Spartan13 : Well here in Tulsa it looks like the media is changing there story from about 1 week ago and now saying that the 138th FW still has a chance of being
104 Spartan13 : If Tinker shuts down, where will the AWAC's go?[Edited 2005-05-10 06:14:02]
105 Post contains links C17loadmstr : More interesting news concerning BRAC. I guess the big news will come on Friday. http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123010503 5/11/2005 - SAN AN
106 Post contains images Greyhound : Me thinketh that stinketh too. Anyone know if Naval Station Everett might close? Sure, the Lincoln and some small boys are up there, but there's been
107 Post contains images Lt-AWACS : Hopefully anywhere but Tinker, but I can only be so lucky. Knowing the AF we would get stuck at Offutt or someplace like that. It is interesting to s
108 DL021 : Ok...well todays the day the list comes out and we'll see where our predictions are right and wrong. Anyone know what time the press conference is sch
109 EMBQA : As it has been in the past, after the stock market closes, so I'd say 4pm.
110 ZRB2 : Another place sweating it out this morning is Niagara Falls air reserve base. It's home to the 914th Airlift Wing the 107th Air Refueling Wing and the
111 Post contains links EMBQA : The announcemnets will be at 1030am EST http://www.defenselink.mil/advisories/2005/pa20050512-1321.html[Edited 2005-05-13 15:38:25]
112 N1641 : I'm a big fan of the Niagara Falls base, you cant get a hotel anywhere else in that area for $27 a night. Oh here's a list my mom sent me, if anyone h
113 Garnetpalmetto : Well, my boss just got a phone call from her son who works with one of the firms working with local governments here in SC to lobby the DoD. He inform
114 JMV : Question - According to a local news site, Selfridge Army Activity is on the closure list. Does that mean all of Selfridge, or just a part of the base
115 ZRB2 : Argggh! Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station is on the close list. Terrible news for that area especially when Niagara Falls NY is trying to revitalize i
116 LMP737 : Well it looks like San Diego is going to have to figure out another way to fill their airport needs because MCAS Miramar is not on the hit list. Quite
117 Garnetpalmetto : Here's the full list: Alabama Abbott U.S. Army Reserve Center, Tuskegee Anderson U.S. Army Reserve Center, Troy Armed Forces Reserve Center, Mobile BG
118 DL021 : Other than NAS Atlanta, which I expected to keep here, and it looks like they are sending all the units to NAS New Orleans, I expected to lose Forts M
119 USAFHummer : So is this list 100% definite that all these facilities will be closed, or is this just a "recommendation"...what happens next??? Greg
120 Garnetpalmetto : These are the bases the Pentagon is recommending be closed and these recommendations are being given to the BRAC Commission. BRAC will now have publi
121 Greyhound : That's sad. I went through Sub School and I was in the last class of MTs to go through A school up there. At least I'm not one of the unlucky ones he
122 Garnetpalmetto : Yep - definitely sad to see the historical home of the USN's Atlantic subs get shut down. It's one of those "Well I understand WHY they want to shut
123 USAFHummer : Stupid question, but is New London the same as Groton, or are they two separate facilities? Greg
124 DL021 : I'm not sure why they want to shut down Portsmouth Shipyard. Unless they plan to build the replacement facilities at Kings Bay. Which makes not much s
125 Garnetpalmetto : Groton is the town that the New London submarine base is in.
126 L-188 : Alaska got off fairly lucky this time, only loosing the guard base at Kulis, which functions I assume will move over to nearfy Elemendorf AFB
127 Greyhound : The original home of Sub School, home to how many Cold War subs? I can't even fathom that closure right now (no pun intended).
128 Post contains links L-188 : I retract my earlier statement in reply 126 I am shocked to see that Eilson is being downgraded to caretaker status. http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/st
129 Garnetpalmetto : New London is home to 3 squadrons - SUBDEVRON 12, SUBRON 2, and SUBRON 4. Here's what each of those squadrons has SUBDEVRON 12 USS Memphis (SSN-691)
130 STT757 : Here's my list of bases I hope the BRAC commision takes off the close list and keeps open. Submarine Base New London Naval Shipyard Portsmouth Niagra
131 Echster : I'm stealing parts from a lot of messages to see if I can answer some of your questions: From ZRB2 in Reply 115: Hillary Rodham and a bunch of other s
132 Echster : I posted the above but now can't confirm the votes needed to be added, removed, or realigned. It's somewhere in the legislation but I couldn't find it
133 Greyhound : I toured the Miami, Albuquerque, Philadelphia and Springfield when I was up in Groton, and my 2nd CO on the Ohio, now Deputy Comsubron 17, was the PX
134 Garnetpalmetto : Well, according to the BRAC Recommendations, "The existing berthing capacity at surface/subsurface installations exceeds the capacity required to sup
135 Greyhound : King's Bay would benefit the most from this closure.... That area's economy is seriously impacted by the loss of 5 boomers. And I'm sure if any of th
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