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Colombian Presidential Plane (Air Force One)  
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2389 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Does anybody have any information about the Colombian presidential plane? It is a 737 that should have been delivered in December 2004.

Any idea?

BTW, this is my first post, although I have been reading A.net for months!


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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

I'm gonna take a wild uneducated guess here and say the Colombian Presidential plane is not called Air Force One.


You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 1):
I'm gonna take a wild uneducated guess here and say the Colombian Presidential plane is not called Air Force One

Why not? Isn't the a/c which a president of a country is on board?



"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction." Mark Twain
User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Quoting B752fanatic (Reply 2):
Why not? Isn't the a/c which a president of a country is on board?

You kidding me, right?



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 3):
You kidding me, right?

No I am not, what's your point? why isnt the Presidential Airplane of Colombia Airfoce One?

Are you trying to say that the only Airforce one is the Airforce One of the US?

If is that I will say that probably you are kidding.



"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction." Mark Twain
User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

What everybody needs to remember is that Air Force One is the call sign for the President of the United States do other nations use that call sign who knows? Maybe they do maybe they don't.

Point is the thread was started to find out information on the Columbian President's aircraft not what it's call sign is or who the real Air Force One is.

Hawk44



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 1):
I'm gonna take a wild uneducated guess here and say the Colombian Presidential plane is not called Air Force One.

The current presidential plane is registered FAC0001.

The letters FAC stand for Fuerza Aérea Colombiana (Colombian Air Force).

So, for all practical purposes, and to make a long story short, yes, the plane could perfectly be called Air Force One.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2389 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 3525 times:

I agree with Southamerica. Besides, I guess the term Air Force One is generic for other countries. Venezuela for example has the Airbus A319-133X(CJ) and its also Venezuelan Air Force One. Same case with Argentina, Brazil, Germany Paraguay, China and many more.


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But still, I just want to know about the Colombian A/C which should have been ready in December 2004.



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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 3521 times:

Quoting B752fanatic (Reply 4):
Are you trying to say that the only Airforce one is the Airforce One of the US?

Duh!!

Mike



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User currently offlineBaldurSveins From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 115 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 3517 times:

An older FAC-001 stopping at Keflavik in 1982:

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User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months ago) and read 3512 times:

Sorry for taking the topic out of the subject, the thing is that our Friend LimaFoxtrotTAngo thinks that the "Airforce One" title is reserved only for the a/c of the President of the US.

Which he is totally wrong on his "educated guess".



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2389 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Unfortunately "BaldurSveins" that is not an older FAC-001, that is the CURRENT one... >>what a shame<<. That's why I so desperately want to see the new 737 BBJ with only 20 hours of usage that the Colombian Government bought in 2004.

Cool picture though, I was trying to get it. Thanks.



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2389 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3364 times:

This is all the information that I have:

The plane was bought for US$ 40 millions in 2004, to replace the current Fokker 28, bought in the 1970's. A technical committee from the Colombian Air Force selected the offer from the United States government; a Boeing 737BBJ, with only 20 flight hours even though it was made in 1999.
It was due to be delivered in December 2004.

Any other info available?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3361 times:

Not to get too deeply into the semantics of the Air Force One callsign, but technically there is no aircraft christened as "Air Force One". That is the official CALLSIGN of any aircraft that the President of the United States boards (a la VC-25 (28000 or 29000), VC-32, C-40, C-9C, GV, or even a Cessna 152). Whenever the President is not onboard the VC-25 (highly modified 747-200 which people typically will call AF1 anytime they see it) usually the aircraft will go under the name Angel 1--Angel for obvious reasons as her crew and the 89th Air hold her in such high esteem. A lot of people tend to also confuse the E-4B's as VC-25's in which they are not. Bascially any time someone sees a 747 with US of A on the side they automatically think "Air Force One". And B752 is technically correct that the AF1 callsign is not reserved by any means for the President of the United States, however if you say Air Force One to someone, regardless of their locality, I'm willing to bet that they would describe those magestic VC-25's.

Bryan
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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5366 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting DeltaMD11 (Reply 13):
That is the official CALLSIGN of any aircraft that the President of the United States boards (a la VC-25 (28000 or 29000), VC-32, C-40, C-9C, GV, or even a Cessna 152).

Not quite. It's the call sign of any USAF aircraft with the President onboard, just as Marine One is used by any USMC aircraft, Navy One by any USN aircraft, and Army One by any USA aircraft. Were it a civilian Cessna 152, or any other civilian aircraft, the callsign would be Executive One.

Quoting DeltaMD11 (Reply 13):
usually the aircraft will go under the name Angel 1--Angel for obvious reasons as her crew and the 89th Air hold her in such high esteem

Not quite. Were the President not onboard, the aircraft would revert to SAM (Special Air Mission) and then the tail number, so SAM 28000 or SAM 29000 for instance. "Angel" is the Secret Service's code name for the aircraft.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Garnet,
Thanks for that. I did know of the Executive One callsign for civ. aircraft, however I highly doubt that we will ever see the sitting President on a civilian aircraft for obvious reasons so it wasn't really pertinent for me to mention. I was more geared towards the aircraft of the 89th noting that if they had a 152 under their control that the same rule would apply. Angel was given to her, if I remember correctly, by one of her crew members back in the early 1990's and the SS began to recognize her as such. Correct me if I'm wrong, however she only becomes SAM 28 or 29 whenever there is an official flight that is going to occur, otherwise if they are taxiing her on the ground to reposition or something of that nature she is called Angel 1.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Quoting DeltaMD11 (Reply 15):
however I highly doubt that we will ever see the sitting President on a civilian aircraft for obvious reasons

Already happened at least once, Bryan...December of 1973, President Nixon flew on a regular commercial flight IAD-LAX...it was a UA DC-10...admittedly that's the only case that I am aware of, but its happened nonetheless...

Greg



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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

I never said that it hasn't happened, I just said I highly doubt that we'll ever see that.  Smile


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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2389 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Not the information I was looking for, but I have to admit that it is very interesting. Thank you for those posts.


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User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

I could've sworn the VC-25's local area callsign was "VENUS", not angel

User currently offlineNbgskygod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

I belive the 89th's birds go by SAM when not on a POTUS/VPOTUS mission. I could be wrong about that one. Although I am not aware of what their unit callsign is.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 16):
Already happened at least once, Bryan...December of 1973, President Nixon flew on a regular commercial flight IAD-LAX...it was a UA DC-10...admittedly that's the only case that I am aware of, but its happened nonetheless...

You are almost right. The aircraft was a B-747, but it was UA. IIRC, the aircraft took off around 0900 EST and carried the Executive-1 call sign until 1200 EST, when President Ford was sworn in as President.

Then the aircraft reverted to it's regular assigned call sign/flight number.

BTW, that flight made President Nixson the first sitting President to fly aboard a B-747.


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 21):

You are almost right. The aircraft was a B-747, but it was UA. IIRC, the aircraft took off around 0900 EST and carried the Executive-1 call sign until 1200 EST, when President Ford was sworn in as President.

Then the aircraft reverted to it's regular assigned call sign/flight number.

BTW, that flight made President Nixson the first sitting President to fly aboard a B-747.

Wrong, this flight took place while Nixon was still in office, a few months before he resigned...even still the flight he took back to California the day after he resigned was on board a VC-137, where the callsign was changed at noon while the aircraft was over Missouri when President Ford was sworn in...quoting directly from my source, the book "Air Force One" by Von Hardesty:
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"The President Flies Commercial: Nixon Surprises Air Travelers on a DC-10 flight to Los Angeles

Richard M. Nixon was the only US president ever to fly on a regularly scheduled commercial flight while in office. This flight took place on December 26, 1973, and became one of the most legendary episodes in the history of presidential travel.

On the day chosen for the flight, President Nixon's party of 25 people quietly slipped out of the White House and, in a motorcade, made their way to Dulles International Airport in northern Virginia. Successfully evading the White House press corps, Nixon and his entourage flew on United Airlines flight 55 from Washington to Los Angeles. The whole affair took place under a cloak of secrecy, for security reasons. For the flight on the DC-10 jumbo jet, the president's party purchased thirteen first class tickets at $217.64 each, and some twelve coach tickets at $167.64 apiece, mostly for the Secret Service agents in tow. In a gesture of personal stewardship, the president insisted on purchasing tickets for himself, First Lady Pat Nixon, and daughter Tricia Nixon Cox. Apparently, no one was bumped from the flight to make room for the president and his large retinue; in fact, Nixon later stated that his choice of this particular flight was based on the assumption that there would be empty seats and no one would be inconvenienced.

Those who had reserved seats on United Airlines Flight 55 were, to say the least, startled at the fact that the president of the United States had joined them on the transcontinental flight. Nixon abandoned his first-class seat in the forward section of the DC-10 to walk the aisles and engage in informal conversations with the passengers.

Later, Nixon's deputy communications director, Ken W. Clauson, explained that the unprecedented flight on a commercial airliner was a way for the president "to set an example for the rest of the nation during the current energy crisis." The 1970's had become an era of shortfalls in imported crude oil, rising fuel prices for homes and automobiles, and heightened public concern over energy conservation. Nixon's rationale for the flight rested on the assumption that a commercial ticket would cost dramatically less than a similar domestic trip on Air Force One. However, many newspaper editorial responses were highly critical of the Nixon flight, as in the case of the Washington Post, where the episode was described as "penny-wise, pound-foolish." Some also asked whether the president had remained in the White House communications net, in case of an emergency. A White House spokesman answered that, yes, President Nixon had remained in touch with government and military nerve centers."
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Airways also did an article a few months back on Nixon's DC-10 trip, but I have to dig through my extensive magazine collection to find it, and I'm willing to type that all out if you want me to and I can locate it...

Greg



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