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Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week  
User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

New launch date: 22 May.

Not a surprise really....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/04/20/space.shuttle.ap/index.html

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User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

NASA knows they shouldn't take any chance at this point, they will not launch the shuttle until they're more than confident that everything is alright...

I wish them well and look forward to seeing that beauty blasting into the sky!  Smile



If God had wanted men to fly he would have given them more money...
User currently offlineUAopsMGR From Croatia, joined Mar 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Thread starter):
New launch date: 22 May.

Not a surprise really

I guess I'll have to change my hotel reservations in Orlando.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 16 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting UAopsMGR (Reply 2):
I guess I'll have to change my hotel reservations in Orlando.

I would cancel for now, wait until about a week before the thing is supposed to go to book. They can still push it back a few more weeks to say nothing of the @ launch time delays.


User currently offlineUAopsMGR From Croatia, joined Mar 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 15 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
They can still push it back a few more weeks to say nothing of the @ launch time delays.

No kidding. We're getting into thunderstorm season. I've made atleast 10 trips across country to watch launches that have been scrubbed for t-storms, wind, lighting within the designated launch radius, poor TAL weather, ETC. ETC. You know the deal. However, I have been fortunate enough to actually see 3 of them, including Columbia's final flight. I think your advice about the hotel is prudent.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 14 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Quoting UAopsMGR (Reply 4):
I have been fortunate enough to actually see 3 of them

Have you seen a landing?


User currently offlineUAopsMGR From Croatia, joined Mar 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
Have you seen a landing?

I've never seen a landing, however the sonic booms have scared the hell out of me a few times when landing at EDW. Not a fun way to wake up in the morning.  tired 



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Quoting UAopsMGR (Reply 6):
I've never seen a landing, however the sonic booms have scared the hell out of me a few times when landing at EDW. Not a fun way to wake up in the morning.

LOL
That's what I was getting at.. Besides seeing a white dot become something pretty significant, the only thing that I think (speed and decent rates aside) that is cool about the landing is the double boom.
I have only seen it/heard it once, before I moved to central Florida after the Columbia disaster.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years ago) and read 2112 times:

Don't take this wrong - I think the USA needs to continue to press on with space exploration in a big way - but am I alone in thinking we're really wasting a lot of frickin' money on NASA?

The shuttle never has done what it was advertised to do - too long to recover between flights; way, way over cost; prone to break-down (because they are OLD); etc.

When will NASA get their heads out of the asses and 'reinvent the wheel' with a newer, better, safer spacecraft?


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
When will NASA get their heads out of the asses and 'reinvent the wheel' with a newer, better, safer spacecraft?

I guess you don't get much in the way of timely news up there do you? Bush has funded and the new NASA admin is behind beating the goal of developing the CEV before 2016.

Yeah the space shuttle was a boondoggle from the word go, and I think that ultimately humans in space is an excersize in futility, but Damn it's fun to watch them go up!!


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Don't take this wrong - I think the USA needs to continue to press on with space exploration in a big way - but am I alone in thinking we're really wasting a lot of frickin' money on NASA?

What's NASAs budget? Maybe 1 percent of the federal budget.. DoD alone wastes more than that.

The trouble with shuttle started when Congress tried to cut shuttle devlopment costs. So NASA got DoD involved to share costs. DoD imposed requirements above and beyond what NASA needed and nearly doubled the costs. The capabilities DoD insisted on have never been used. Then Congress refused to fund development of a reusable liquid booster - so NASA went with the cheaper but more dangerous solid booster, approx $4 billion went down the shitter on that decision alone (Challenger disaster)....

If were going to do space exploration we need to give NASA the resources it needs to do the job right in the first place and then get out of the way.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 10):
If were going to do space exploration we need to give NASA the resources it needs to do the job right in the first place and then get out of the way.

Here Here!!


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
I guess you don't get much in the way of timely news up there do you? Bush has funded and the new NASA admin is behind beating the goal of developing the CEV before 2016.

I get plenty of news here - even the same day  crazy .

I simply opine that the result for the $$$ spent is less than adequate. Shit, that's my opinion - it could be incorrect - but I'm entitled to it. Dang fellas!

I see a bunch of money sitting in 3 Shuttles and nothing is flying.

As originally envisioned, the shuttle was to literally be a space plane, reusable on a rapid turn around basis. The Columbia disaster notwithstanding I think it's reliability to be much less than adequate.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 10):
If were going to do space exploration we need to give NASA the resources it needs to do the job right in the first place and then get out of the way.

I would absolutely concur - as long as there is result for the money.

I, for one, simply don't see it. Sorry fellaz.

I'm all for space exploration - hell I think we should have already colonized the moon and should have landed men on Mars a decade ago . . . so don't take my opinion the wrong way . . . . I am on your side of the argument, just posting a question of concern . . . .


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
I would absolutely concur - as long as there is result for the money.

For the record, I also believe it's too expensive. Trouble is though, to complain about the cost now is to complain 30 years too late. If we want to reduce the cost now we'll have to spend even more dough to develop something new that's cheaper to operate. Guess what? There's no $$$ to develop something that's cheaper. NASA is generating development cash for CEV by cutting programs that don't support Ws Exploration vision, like aeronautics. Which states have NASA Centers that are taking cuts in aeronautics programs? California (Ames), Ohio (Glenn), and Virginia (Langley).

If we want resource efficient space exploration, we need to pay the piper up front. Can't have it both ways.


User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Im am thinking of coming down to Titusville for the launch. The date is now July 13th - 31st. Anyone got a more exact date?


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 14):
Im am thinking of coming down to Titusville for the launch. The date is now July 13th - 31st. Anyone got a more exact date?

While at Paris for the show, Griffin promised the ISS partners that NASA would establish a firm launch date by 30 June.


User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Roger that, thanks.

Anyone else going? Miller High Life on ice and countdown from Cocoa Beach?



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Your best info is here: http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/la...s/launchDetails.asp?calendarId=106

Currently the 13th IS the NET date and scheduled launch date (Time: 03:45:00 PM EST ) , and they have 5 days to 'mess around with' between now and then. I wouldn't bet the farm on the 13th, but whatever you do, do not book anything until a few days before launch (IE the 10th at this time)


User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2854 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

I have plans to watch from the Visitors area and tickets are purchased but are not to set to ship until about a week before actual launch.

If STS-114 does not make the estimated lift-off date I will be forced to take a few side trips down to the Keys. OH DARN!!

Okie


User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Quoting Okie (Reply 18):
I have plans to watch from the Visitors area and tickets are purchased but are not to set to ship until about a week before actual launch.

How did you order them - online? Id like to buy tickets for this launch!



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Quoting Okie (Reply 18):
I have plans to watch from the Visitors area and tickets are purchased

Nope.... not unless you have tickets for the launch. The only way to get on the island for that day is to have tickets in advance.
Titusville will be your next best bet.

Quoting Okie (Reply 18):
If STS-114 does not make the estimated lift-off date I will be forced to take a few side trips down to the Keys. OH DARN!!

Good backup!!   

Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 19):
How did you order them - online? Id like to buy tickets for this launch!

Here: http://www.ksctickets.com/kennedyspacecenter/

Correction: http://www.ksctickets.com/ltt.html is the correct link, but looks like 114 is mostly sold out...If you do not already have tickets, you will have to watch from off the island.

[Edited 2005-06-25 16:28:56]

User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2854 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Yes, ordered tickets months ago on line from above link that TedTAce has for you. They are suppose to ship to arrive about 1 week before launch. Since the Columbia mishap and after 9-11 they do not let anyone very close anymore because of "security reasons" All public viewing areas are at least a few miles away now. Boo!!! All public viewing areas are where you cannot see the launch until the shuttle clears the trees.

I have heard from friends that the launches are really spectacular!!! It makes a lot of noise and smoke from the Solid Rocket Boosters. Sort of get to see some of my tax money go up in smoke so to speak. Right now waffling around on vacation plans until they get a firmer launch date.
Once I get the tickets then I will fill my pockets full of money to keep the H2 full of gas and make a few stops along the way otherwise I would fly but I figure there will be at least one delay of several days and go on down to the Keys.

Okie


User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

I saw a launch in 2002, pictures from Titusville:

http://martin.bjornstrom.se/galleri/roadtrip/images/DSC01497.jpg
http://martin.bjornstrom.se/galleri/roadtrip/images/DSC01498.jpg
http://martin.bjornstrom.se/galleri/roadtrip/images/DSC01509.jpg

One of the coolest things i've seen - I'd like to get closer next time  Smile



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 1806 times:

Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 22):
One of the coolest things i've seen - I'd like to get closer next time

You can try Coco and 'Jetty point' park  Wink


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