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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Howdy,

VFA-11's new CAG ship did a flight out of Boeing today and I decided to look them up on here to see some pics of their aircraft. The one I found noted that they used to be VF-11. What prompted the name change? I've noticed that most of the superhornets are have VFA on them versus VF which many of the older ones have. Can anybody shed some light on this for me?


DMI
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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Yes....the F/A-18 is a strike fighter with dual roles. The F series of airplanes were so designated due to their fighter/air superiority mission....ie the F-14, born an interceptor. Back when this happened we designated aircraft as F, B, A, or FB for the fighter bombers (such as the FB-111).

Now, with the designation of F/A, such as with the F/A-18 the Marines and Navy have changed the designations of their squadrons as well. In the past as A-6 squadron would be VA-something, an AV-8 squadron is still a VMA-something, and an F-14 squadron would be VF. With the advent of the F/A designation the new squadron designators are VFA for the Navy or VMFA for the Marines.



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the insight.

However, the caption on this photo said they were upgrading from F-18B models, but still had the VF designation with the older hornets which are capable of both missions as well.



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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Gimmicks and nothing less. Just like how the F-117 is a fighter jet and the F-15E, F-16, and F-14D's don't sling mud as well. And oh yea, I can't forget about that golden CAS platform in the F/A-22.

So why hasn't the JSF F-35 been properly re-designated yet? F/A-35?


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 3):
So why hasn't the JSF F-35 been properly re-designated yet? F/A-35?

Probably saving a card up their sleeve for the next time the poiticians start looking the JSF's way.  Wink


LY744.



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User currently offlineUSAFMXOfficer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Here's one for you...

The UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) squadrons in the USAF so far are the 11th, 15th and 17th RS (Recon Squadrons) at Indian Springs (MQ-1 Predator) and the 12th RS at Beale (RQ-4 Global Hawk).

When the MQ-9 Predator B comes on line, the first operational squadron will be designated an "Attack Squadron", AS. The MQ-9 has significantly greater weapon load than the MQ-1's (3,000 lb capacity on six hardpoints versus 300lb capacity on two).



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5423 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 2):
However, the caption on this photo said they were upgrading from F-18B models, but still had the VF designation with the older hornets which are capable of both missions as well.

Pip - whomever captioned the image was wrong then, as the Red Rippers (VF/VFA-11) never flew the F/A-18B. It should have read "F-14B" rather than "F-18B," as that's what VF-11 last flew before transitioning to the Super Hornet.



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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 6):
Pip - whomever captioned the image was wrong then, as the Red Rippers (VF/VFA-11) never flew the F/A-18B. It should have read "F-14B" rather than "F-18B," as that's what VF-11 last flew before transitioning to the Super Hornet.

Correct. Also a bit of sad trivia. VF-11 went from F-14A's to F-14B's to F-14D's and then back to the B model because they ran out of flyable D's.  cry 


User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Thanks for the history lessons guys. I enjoy it. STL sees a lot of military traffic and my neighbors about 300 yards to the southeast build the things. A bunch of new Superhornets have been rolling out lately so I see the CAG ships quite often. Between those, and the F-15K they've been very busy down there. What I don't understand is why that one is so much quieter than other F-15s. It doesn't have that distinct screech at idle.


DMI
User currently offlineDash8tech From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 732 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

VF-11, the Red Rippers were in our CAG when I cruised with VA-196 - met a bunch of good avionics guys in that command. They lost a "D" on the 94 cruise in front of the Discovery Channel and everyone and their brother on deck. It was a planned supersonic flyby so the deck was full of observers, the Tomcat comes flying over the deck, massive boom, shockwave and all and then a second, slightly less dramatic boom, flames and smoke coming out the back of one of the engines, then two popping sounds - the crew baling out. Pilot (and a nugget at that!) had the presence in mind to slow the aircraft down before they punched. Skipper and XO met the helo when it landed, big hugs for his crew. Only a dislocated shoulder suffered.

Sadly a couple years later, same airwing their sister squadron VF-31 lost a Tomcat due to similar circumstances after it had done a supersonic flyby past one of our escoprt ships testing it's sea-wiz guns. In that instance the crew bailed out too early, apparently (my division officer at the time went to flight-school with the young pilot and told us this so don't take it as certain fact, I don't have time to research the thing now...) the guy in the back seat was a senior officer, no longer flying everyday and pulled the handle pretty much as soon as he saw all the caution/warning and fire warning lights come on. Neither of course made it, very sad. Put a real damper on that particular det, it was just a ten-day carrier qual det. I think this was the day before an S-3 came in right of centerline (we were in fairly heavy seas) and bounced it's wing off of two F-14 radomes parked in the six-pack waiting to go back up. Skipper of the boat decided it was time to go home the next day instead of completing the rest of the det. During the fly-off that night an F-14 and one of our A-6's FOD'd on separate ocassions on the catapult. Crazy det that was, and a tragic one.

If I remember right the F-14 incidents were down to an issue with the afterburners on the "D" models. For our '96 cruise (and fleetwide) none of the "D" squadrons were permitted to go Supersonic unless combat warranted it, that made the day of the Hornet guys as they were now the ones tasked with all the showboat as well as operational high speed flights.


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