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US President Selects A380 As New Air Force One...  
User currently offlineAirOrange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

...sometime? Not likely but will the US presidential plane type change from Boeing 747 to Boeing 7E7 in future? Is there already some news about it?


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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5385 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9531 times:

Quoting AirOrange (Thread starter):
Not likely but will the US presidential plane type change from Boeing 747 to Boeing 7E7 in future? Is there already some news about it?

Unlikely. Usually the flagship of the Executive fleet is a 4-engine, so I'd suspect that if Boeing were to go ahead with the 747Adv, sometime down the road you would see the current VC-25s traded in for a 747Adv variant rather than the 787. Keep in mind though, that the current VC-25s are in excellent condition and aren't that old. As for switching to a 380, let's just say I think it's about as likely as the a.net teens ceasing to play armchair CEO.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9476 times:

I'm just interested to know why everyone is so quick to replace the current Air Force 1 when it's just over 14 years old, and its predecessor went over 30 years before replacement....?


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9388 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 1):
Usually the flagship of the Executive fleet is a 4-engine

Since when has that been a stricture? The President regularly flies on DC-9, 757, and 737NG that are part of the Executive fleet.


User currently offlineAeroVodochody From Czech Republic, joined Feb 2005, 540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9380 times:

Wow, by the title of the thread I thought you were serious. Anyway, I doubt it would be an A380 because it would probably be too big. I'm thinking 773ER or 772LR, or a new 747 either the -400 or the Adv. The 787 could probably replace the current 757 right?

[Edited 2005-05-04 00:56:46]


Try not to be jealous, we can't all be Czech.
User currently offlineFredplt From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9305 times:

You probably won't see the Air Force One replaced for a while, it is still way ahead of its time and is in excellent condition. It is possible that someday a 787 or something new will replace it, but for now, I would be surprised to hear news of a replacement.

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5385 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9247 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
The President regularly flies on DC-9, 757, and 737NG that are part of the Executive fleet.



Psst...FLAGship...as in the large aircraft typically used for intercontinentals. I'm well aware that C-32s, C-9s, and C-40s are used by the executive feleet.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9198 times:

Um, maybe this is obvious to me, or maybe I'm just an idiot, but here goes. I would think the President of the United States would buy American. But hey, thats just me...

fluffy


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9138 times:

Depends on who's president.
Kerry would have bought French...



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9132 times:

How much use do the 747s actually get? I can't imagine that they will put on cycles at even a third of the rate that a 747 in scheduled service would.


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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

Not a lot. the President flies them maybe once a month on average I think (return trips) and they are relatively lightly loaded during those trips (no cargo and feedstuff for 300+ cattleclass pax).

They're 14 years or so old but have seen less use than a regular 747 would in a year or two.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9064 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9):
How much use do the 747s actually get? I can't imagine that they will put on cycles at even a third of the rate that a 747 in scheduled service would.

FYI: The oldest of the VC-137s (970) retired a few years ago with just over 20000 hours. Not a lot for a 40 year old jet...


User currently offlineAFHokie From United States of America, joined May 2004, 224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8920 times:

 covereyes  Not another "when will the USAF buy a an Airbus 380 for Air Force One thread...."

Let all the "Air Force One is the name for the USAF aircraft currently carrying the president/the USAF will only ever buy American/Airbus vs. Boeing" posts begin....


How many folks are going to  stirthepot 

I guess I better  duck  cause the  box  is about to start....

Don't you just love the smilies?  biggrin 


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8905 times:

Given the amount of aggro re the KC330, I think that the chance of an VC380 are Zero. I do not that this would have been any different under Kerry.

Just because the guy can speak French.

Given the family links to Texas and Florida Dubya can probably speak Spanish, but I do not see him flying on an Airbus. Remember Airbus is multinational and includes CASA.


User currently offlineAeroVodochody From Czech Republic, joined Feb 2005, 540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8899 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 7):
Um, maybe this is obvious to me, or maybe I'm just an idiot, but here goes. I would think the President of the United States would buy American. But hey, thats just me...

It's all about politics, if they're trying to "promote international cooperation" or butter up the french for something, etc. they could buy Airbus, but I doubt they will.



Try not to be jealous, we can't all be Czech.
User currently offlineFredplt From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8891 times:

I will be surprised if the US ever buys a plane built outside the US for its military, but one never knows. I believe it will be a long time until you see a change to the current AF One fleet, and yes, whatever plane the president is on, is AF One.

User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8806 times:

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 14):
It's all about politics,

That's my point. Why piss off American (more or less) companies when you wouldn't have to. He (the prez) does a good enough job already when it comes to pissing off the rest of the world.

fluffy


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Fred,

What about the B-57 Canberra, the AV-8 Harrier, the HH-65 Dauphin, the K-21 Kfir, etc. The US Military has bought foreign aircraft before, but not for the Presidential fleet.



Here Here for Severe Clear!
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5385 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8779 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 17):
The US Military has bought foreign aircraft before, but not for the Presidential fleet.

*cough next Marine One cough*



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 18):
*cough next Marine One cough*

Which is why a KC-380 will be harder than ever to push through. Already people are talking about how PM Blair applied pressure on Bush to 'give back for the EH-101'...

But everyone's forgetting something. The VC-25 is young. It will receive at least 10 more years of service, so dont hold your breath for a replacement. If the -ADV is not launched, which is ever so increasingly unlikely, and if by then no other American manufacturer builds a competing aircraft, the 777 or a similar sized aircraft will almost certainly be chosen. It's nice to have dreams, but they dont always come true...rememeber we dont have to keep going bigger and bigger, there's no sense in that.



Now you're really flying
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8626 times:

I wonder if the current AF1, could be updated to Adv?

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8588 times:

Greaser

Are you saying that a B747ADV launch is more or less likely.


User currently offlineAeroVodochody From Czech Republic, joined Feb 2005, 540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8529 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 16):
That's my point. Why piss off American (more or less) companies when you wouldn't have to

No matter what the prez does, he'll always piss someone off, so he'll do whatever pisses less people off at the time.



Try not to be jealous, we can't all be Czech.
User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5123 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8525 times:

Quoting AFHokie (Reply 12):
Don't you just love the smilies?

 no 



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8519 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 10):
Not a lot. the President flies them maybe once a month on average I think (return trips) and they are relatively lightly loaded during those trips (no cargo and feedstuff for 300+ cattleclass pax).

Well I would imagine the furnishings and communications electronics of the AF1 are fairly heavy, and you have to haul all the reporters and staff around along with their belongings. I'm sure they aren't filling the plane to the brim, but it probably is reasonably well loaded.



ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
25 Post contains links and images Boeing Nut : Man, I can't believe I'm going to say this out loud, but that artists rendering of the A380 in "Presidential Colors" looks pretty damn good. Still not
26 Pilotpip : While the communications gear on the current VC-25 is heavy, I'm sure that through the usage of more modern electronics they could be made much, much
27 Post contains images Boeing Nut : Agreed. I speculate that if/when a 747-400ADV replaces the current VC-25's, it could also replace the E4-B's as well. With computer and communications
28 Bennett123 : Boeing Nut According to the caption, that is a B747-400 not a B747ADV. Are you suggesting that they will buy a B747-400 shortly or that they will buy
29 Dw747400 : "I speculate that if/when a 747-400ADV replaces the current VC-25's, it could also replace the E4-B's as well." Updates on the VC-25As are already all
30 MidnightMike : Number of engines is not a requirement for Air Force One, it just happened that to meet the requirements, only "4" Engine aircraft was able to do the
31 Post contains images Boeing Nut : I figured that the VC-25's were picking up the slack if you will, but I didn't know that it was that advanced. So my theory should work! *Yea, I knew
32 Post contains links and images Boeing Nut : Here we go................ Modified Airliner Photos:Design © N. KhawajaTemplate © N. Khawaja Now, if I were only the President...
33 Post contains images Columba : AF 1 is indeed replaced very often, every time the President enters a different airplane I believe they are at least 2 VC-25As, C-9s, Gulfstreams, 73
34 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Yeah, no kidding - way to get a guy to read your thread. Good call. I like Airbus (shoot, I hope we get plenty more), but there are some things I'd l
35 Columba : Well the 777-300ER is longer and a good 747-200 replacement, there is more more room to transport all the necessary equipment and the reporters who a
36 Allstarflyer : Columba, I would call that a satisfactory answer. Short and to the point. Thanks. -R
37 Pilotpip : Keep in mind that the current VC-25 has aerial refueling capability. I would imagine that it's predecessor will as well. If this is the case, range is
38 Columba : Okay but I doubt that they will ever refuel the plane while the president is on board flying to Australia for a state visit. The aerial refueling sys
39 Syarif : A380 would definitely never be an American AF1. But it could make its way to being a chief executive jumbo jet by some outrageously rich Middle East k
40 RICARIZA : Exactly, you don't see him on Mercedes Benz limousines either.. only Lincolns
41 Aa757first : I would hope our President would always choose the American option, even if it was inferior to the foreign product. AAndrew
42 Columba : Every President or Head of State prefers home build products for its fleet whether cars or planes. That is why Russia flies the IL 96, Germany the A3
43 Post contains images RICARIZA : I wonder why Brazil doesn't use a EMBRAER for its president
44 Columba : Size and Range ?
45 Post contains images Lehpron : Technically, any flying machine that holds the President of the United States changes its callsign to "Air Force One", the future President merely has
46 Post contains images Boeing Nut : RAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   [Edited 2005-05-28 15:38:15]
47 EMBQA : Technically, any flying machine that holds the President of the United States changes its callsign to "Air Force One", the future President merely has
48 RICARIZA : Well, the EMBRAER 190 has a range of 2,200 m, enough to cover all over Brazil and South America (from a certain point, Brazilia for example)... and i
49 Flight152 : Exactly, you don't see him on Mercedes Benz limousines either.. only Lincolns Actually, he has a Cadillac.
50 Pope : You missed one: And a civilian aircraft .... Executive One.
51 Venus6971 : FYI... 6970 had more takeoffs and landings and pressure cycles than it had flt hours, the 89th back then let every command pilot in the military dist
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