Jaybird From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 93 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4963 times:
Air Force One is ANY plane that the U.S. President is on .. Piper Cub, 747, whatever .. it's not a SPECIFIC aircraft - it's the aircraft a President happens to be in on any given moment ..
It drives me a bit bonkers when folks who know relatively little about the situation get upset and drive threads that go on and on about what the damn callsign is.
When I worked the Air Force 1 detail at Andrews it was always the Air Force 1 detail regardless of wether the President was aboard the aircraft or not. If you asked the cop at the gate how to get to the Air Force 1 complex he could help you -- If you asked for the SAM 28000 complex he'd look at you funny.
The crew on the aircraft always refered to the VC25 as either Air Force 1, or Air Force 1 (Primary) and Air Force 1 (Backup). For short they used Primary and Backup. This applies to common conversation only. When the pilot talks to tower he is going to use "Air Force 1" or "SAM 2x000" for a callsign.
Hey check this out. It's even called Air Force 1 on the aircrafts website -- I can guarantee you the Prez was not aboard when they took the photo at Rushmore.
So lets take a deep breath and remember the following:
Air Force 1 is...
A. The callsign used by an Air Force aircraft that the President is aboard.
and
B. The popular name for the Air Force aircraft that is reserved for the Presidents use, the VC25. Any of the big shots in D.C. can order up a junket in a C-32, they can not ask for the VC25. The VC25 is controlled/tasked thru the White House Military Office for White House use.
OzLAME From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4837 times:
Is it the case that Dubya's helicopter is 'Marine One'? I guess that the aircraft that took him to the carrier for his 'major combat is over' speech was 'Navy One' for the day, would that be correct? If he happened to go up in a Coast Guard C-130 would that be 'Coast Guard One'?
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Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6193 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4822 times:
Quoting OzLAME (Reply 5): I guess that the aircraft that took him to the carrier for his 'major combat is over' speech was 'Navy One' for the day, would that be correct?
Yes, indeed. The a/c was called "Navy One". In fact, I think they actually painted it on the side.
Quoting Jaybird (Reply 1): Air Force One is ANY plane that the U.S. President is on .. Piper Cub, 747, whatever .. it's not a SPECIFIC aircraft - it's the aircraft a President happens to be in on any given moment ..
A civilian aircraft with the prez on board = EXECUTIVE ONE.
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Garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 4963 posts, RR: 59 Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4819 times:
Quoting OzLAME (Reply 5): Is it the case that Dubya's helicopter is 'Marine One'?
Only if it's a Marine Corps helicopter. If it was an Air Force helo it would be Air Force One or if it were a US Army UH-60, it would be Army One.
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Quoting OzLAME (Reply 5): Is it the case that Dubya's helicopter is 'Marine One'? I guess that the aircraft that took him to the carrier for his 'major combat is over' speech was 'Navy One' for the day, would that be correct?
All correct, now who knows the story as to why they started using these callsigns??? I'll give you a hint, it had to do with a close call.
NBGskygod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 480 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4712 times:
If I remember right, it was a trip when Kennedy was flying somewhere, and a PanAm (or other now defunct carrier) had a nearly similar callsign to the presidential aircraft.
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KC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 692 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 4629 times:
Quoting NBGskygod (Reply 9): If I remember right, it was a trip when Kennedy was flying somewhere, and a PanAm (or other now defunct carrier) had a nearly similar callsign to the presidential aircraft.
Close - from Wikipedia:
The call signs were established for security purposes during the administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower, the first American president to have been a pilot in his own right. The change stemmed from a 1953 incident where an Eastern Airlines commercial flight (8610) had the same callsign as a flight the President was on (Air Force 8610). The planes accidentally entered the same airspace, and after the incident the unique call sign "Air Force One" was made for the presidential aircraft.
KevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3922 times:
Quoting OzLAME (Reply 5): I guess that the aircraft that took him to the carrier for his 'major combat is over' speech was 'Navy One' for the day, would that be correct?
This is that aircraft. It has since been retired and placed on display at the National Museum of Naval Aviation.
Quoting Jhooper (Reply 6): The a/c was called "Navy One". In fact, I think they actually painted it on the side
Sure did. You can see it in the picture just above the VS-35 towards the tail. It's hard to make out but it also says "George W Bush Commander in Chief" under the pilot's window.
UnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2109 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3918 times:
Dc8jet From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3837 times:
Most likely 8610 was the Eastern flight number. 8610 was the tail number of
the VC-121 that Eisenhower was on. Airliners use their flight number as part of their call sign while other aircraft use their tail number or registration.
JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1466 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3629 times:
Quoting SATL382G (Reply 4): So lets take a deep breath and remember the following:
Air Force 1 is...
A. The callsign used by an Air Force aircraft that the President is aboard.
and
B. The popular name for the Air Force aircraft that is reserved for the Presidents use, the VC25. Any of the big shots in D.C. can order up a junket in a C-32, they can not ask for the VC25. The VC25 is controlled/tasked thru the White House Military Office for White House use.
Couldn't have said it better myself. If the White House Loans one of the aircraft out say for a pres. funeral, many will refer to it as SAM 28000 or 29000.
Although, from what I remember of Ronald Regan and Gerald Ford's Funerals, SAM 29000 was loaned by the White House for both, at the authorization of George W. Bush
edit: Tail Numbers
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ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2864 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3611 times:
Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 19): Couldn't have said it better myself. If the White House Loans one of the aircraft out say for a pres. funeral, many will refer to it as SAM 28000 or 29000.
Although, from what I remember of Ronald Regan and Gerald Ford's Funerals, SAM 29000 was loaned by the White House for both, at the authorization of George W. Bush
Very Cool! Someone remembered a good point from the other thread. Even the aircraft used for Ford & Reagans funerals were tasked by the White House so never left the White House Military Office' operational control.
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