Boeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9788 times:
But don't bother trying to come out to get picks. Security is very tight. For those who know the area, some spotters even got kicked off of the road in front of Berry Hill Golf Course.
Jafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9743 times:
I don't see the attraction myself, it looks a bit 60's to me, if i was the President I would swap it for a 747-400 have it re-done in an all matt black "stealth" scheme.
But then I'd go and spoil it all by sticking a great big Silver fern down the side!!
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9704 times:
Wait... those stairs are coming out of where the hold is on a normal 747...
Blackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9632 times:
Considering the state of the economy, who gives a crap?
Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
Boeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9608 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 5): I wish he'd quit wasting my tax money and fly around on a little more efficient aircraft when flying domestically, like the 757.
True, but even if he did, it wouldn't save that much when compared to the overall operation. There are/were several transport support aircraft, and many, many personnel are involved. But I hear what your saying.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9292 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9533 times:
I wish he'd quit wasting my tax money and fly around on a little more efficient aircraft when flying domestically, like the 757.
But let me guess, when Bill Clinton did it it was ok..??
By the way, he's doing a multi city stop today. He was just at Ft. Campbell.. the local news showed him leave...off to a fund raiser is STL and finishing in Crawford.
[Edited 2005-06-03 00:28:50]
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LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1881 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9462 times:
Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 9): Touche'. Close, but not quite in my book.
Well, I saw AF1 or 2 or just the VC25's quite a lot. However, I saw the NASA 747 with a Space Shuttle on top only once when I was just a little kiddie and it flew above Europe.
But I agree, the VC-25 is a sharp looking plane, but I also think the paintjob is a little to much '60. Maybe AirOrange can come up with a new scheme?
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9427 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 5): I wish he'd quit wasting my tax money and fly around on a little more efficient aircraft when flying domestically, like the 757.
i was thinking maybe a 737........how about on a cessna....
Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 6): Considering the state of the economy, who gives a crap?
you mean how bad the economy is going to be soon (i.e toilet-after the housing bubble bursts)?
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10):
But let me guess, when Bill Clinton did it it was ok..??
no..nobody says that what he did was ok either..
the excuse that he needs "extra security" and "has the codes in case of a nuclear strike, xyz" doesn't hold up...he can still get all the security and technology he needs/wants in a 737...not to mention showers, desks, offices, etc..
Boeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9326 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13): the excuse that he needs "extra security" and "has the codes in case of a nuclear strike, xyz" doesn't hold up...he can still get all the security and technology he needs/wants in a 737...not to mention showers, desks, offices, etc..
If you really believe that, then I got some ocean front property in Nebraska I'd like to tell you about.
B744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9287 times:
The reason he flies around in that, is so when a big event happens he can run away and be in the air for 20 hrs without refueling. Try that in a 737. But judging by the way he (didn't) handle the 9-11 tragedy, he really isn't the guy who makes decisions so he doesn't need to waste the governments money that we already don't have because most of our debt is owned by Japan and China
Freedomtofly From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 750 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9208 times:
Quoting B744F (Reply 15): The reason he flies around in that, is so when a big event happens he can run away and be in the air for 20 hrs without refueling. Try that in a 737. But judging by the way he (didn't) handle the 9-11 tragedy, he really isn't the guy who makes decisions so he doesn't need to waste the governments money that we already don't have because most of our debt is owned by Japan and China
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9077 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 5): I wish he'd quit wasting my tax money and fly around on a little more efficient aircraft when flying domestically, like the 757.
I'm glad I'm not working today. But if I was it would be very slow.
I have to agree wish all Presidents would take a smaller plane when possible and save the tax payers some serious dollars.
Jafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8778 times:
Not being able to run and hide from a nuclear strike just might make your president put the extra effort into preventing one, after all, if you're all dead no one will really give a damn how long AF1 can stay airborne.
BHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1287 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8721 times:
Quoting Boeing Nut (Thread starter): For those who know the area, some spotters even got kicked off of the road in front of Berry Hill Golf Course.
Interesting, did not know you could see any ramp from Berry Hill, I guess with all of the runway construction that has changed. Figured Berry Hill got bulldozed along with everything else north of Natural Bridge...
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8567 times:
Most foreign leaders have things like glorified RJ's. The British use BAe 146's I believe. And I think Australia uses a Challenger.
Does this stuff about he can fly 20 hrs continually in the event of an emergency mean that that bird takes off every flight with ALL tanks full? What a freakin waste of my hard earned money. Georgie should fly in NO MORE than a BBJ domestically. A BBJ with the tanks and goodies has almost the range of the 747 in an emergency, right?? Hell, give him a Cessna Citation X, that'll get him up to FL510 in the event of an emergency... and at Mach 0.91 would stand a better chance of out-running something in that sort of an emergency.
Note: Clinton should have flown in a BBJ, etc. too... but then again oil didn't go > $45/barrel during Slick Willy's term.
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8381 times:
Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 1): I don't see the attraction myself, it looks a bit 60's to me, if i was the President I would swap it for a 747-400 have it re-done in an all matt black "stealth" scheme.
So it can look a bit 80's.
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10): But let me guess, when Bill Clinton did it it was ok..??
Yeah, because we weren't paying for a multi-billion dollar act of imperialism in the middle east at the time.
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
25 IFIXCF6: All of this about a VC-25A having a 20 hr endurance is misinformed. They can stay up as long as the KC10's fly; they have inflight refueling capabilit
26 B744F: I was talking about its flight time without the use of a refueler. And it was just a rough estimate
27 Dtw9: Quoting Toronado82-Note: Clinton should have flown in a BBJ, etc. too... but then again oil didn't go > $45/barrel during Slick Willy's term. Here's a
28 A5XX: "But don't bother trying to come out to get picks. Security is very tight. For those who know the area, some spotters even got kicked off of the road
29 S12PPL: Ahhhh, must be time for another vacation......
30 A5XX: You're Kidding right? You mean the ugliest 747! Seriously, in my book, the coolest 747 is SAA Ndizani. http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...nr=7&pr
32 Avek00: I'm also willing to bet that the Air Force One 742 has the most and strongest security features of the fleet.
33 N766UA: Oh come on like you're really gunna notice a dent in your checking account because he flies a 747? Wasting your tax money.... your contribution in tax
34 Schipholjfk: Wake up to what? America has been preventing nuclear disaster for years. If Russia had its way... you would have seen one dropped right over Western
35 Dtw9: N867BX . I have no idea what the hell your refering to, I'm as big of a waster of oil as the next person. All I'm saying is quit blaming the President
36 777STL: Why would NASA be flying the Space Shuttle over Europe? That doesn't make any sense....
37 Theredbaron: The Sultan of Brunnei has a cooler plane and HE OWNS IT !!! GWB will be plane less in Jan 20 2008 (hopefuly!)
38 FlyingTexan: Air Force One has a nicer interior than BMW could ever build.
39 Falcon84: No kidding? He's actually going to end up in Crawford? Gosh, he never goes there......
41 GQfluffy: I thought I read somewheres (keyword THOUGHT) that the 742's engines basically need to have their oil changed after a couple dozen or so hours of ope
42 2H4: Anytime, baby! ...From http://www.isrjournal.com/story.php?F=327971: The 737 MMA will have a 41,000-foot altitude ceiling and a deployment range of 5
43 N1120A: I do. Since the economy is in shambles and oil prices are sky high, he should be flying one of the smaller jets Actually, Bill Clinton flew the 757 m
44 N766UA: Haha, ah yes... who had the BMW with interior by KIA again?
45 TIMEAIR: [ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/181095/M/ it is a nice sleek plane, and looks awesome from any angle! They stopped up here in good ol Kamloops a
46 777STL: Any proof? I'm having a hard time believing this because I read somewhere that everytime the shuttle transporter is used, it costs at least a million
47 Litz: Considering he's in his second term, and by constitutional decree, cannot run for relection for a third term, this will be a given ... - litz
48 UAORD2000: And I'm sure ATC had to close air traffic to and from STL why this nitwit decided to land at a major airport. Let me guess, he landed at peak time as
49 RayChuang: I think you folks are forgetting that the VC-25A is equipped with a very sophisticated (and well-protected in nuclear environments) communications sui
50 Jacobin777: you do? Really? he doesn't need to be up for 20 hours....1/2 the planet could get literally be obliterated in less than 20 minutes.... all those tiny
51 N844AA: Good lord, can there ever be a discussion in this place that doesn't devolve into political mudslinging? It's like A v. B, but worse, since those are
52 AR385: I find the coolest, to be the four E-4B AANCP Advanced Airborne Command Posts. Similar livery, but way more useful these days. Well, scratch that, the
53 B741: Then there is that 747 ABL. Looks different but a neat gadget at the front of the aircraft.
55 DL021: I'm going to guess that this thread started in non-av or somewhere else. He has to carry the entire retinue of staff, agents and press corps, as well
56 Boeing Nut: 2H4, Awesome reply man!! I wish he'd quit wasting my tax money and fly around on a little more efficient aircraft when flying domestically, like the 7
57 Jimpop: Have you compared the cost of oil/gasoline to milk, coffee, tea, water, and gatorade/powerade. I would say that oil should be the last of your concer
58 Jimpop: Call your state congress(wo)man and ask them to pass a resolution barring the press from AF1. I'm sure that the Prez would gladly sign it.
59 Norm1153: President Bush did not leave the school right away because he was not able to. The Secret Service was confirming their departure route was still OK. T
60 Jimpop: Stuff like that is not widely reported by news media, and therefore not widely known by average-joes. It is something called "procedure", and few fol
62 Pilotpip: I seem to remember Clinton tying up traffic at LAX or somewhere major like that for an hour while he got a haircut. Left and right abuse the power, it
63 SATL382G: NASA took the Space Shuttle Enterprise & 747 to the Paris Airshow in 1983. Numerous stops were made along the way, including Wright-Patterson AFB whe
64 Boeing Nut: Ummmm,................................................... no.
65 Jimpop: Simply because worldwide demand is still up. Right now the USA has it pretty good, just wait till the day when the USA pays the same price per gallon
66 ANITIX87: Nice one N1120A...made it seem like you're WJC...couldn't help but laugh. Off topic but there's another thread in here that i started (blatant self-p
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