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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

What does the number on the rwy mean?
In regular rwys, is the orientation number, but an ac carrier moves, so there is no function to a number, as it always changes, to get the deck against the wind.
So what does it mean??


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Mike


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

It's the hull number. Same as the number on the island. Same as the number on the bow of a frigate or cruiser.

User currently offlineWoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1053 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 7587 times:

That's the carrier's hull number - not the runway number  

Then you can figure out which aircraft carrier it is. The one in the picture is the Eisenhower. It's an awfully old picture as well. haven't seen A-5s and F-4's on Eisenhower in a long time.

Sometimes we can get sneaky, last year the Belleau Wood (number 3) entered the Arabian Gulf, the next day, Kearsarge (also number 3) entered the Arabian Gulf. That confused the Iranians to no end who wondered how Belleau Wood got out of the gulf without notice of the picket sitting in the Strait of Hormuz to get back in the next day... until the Iranians realized there were two number 3's running rampage in the Northern Arabian Gulf...

[Edited 2005-07-25 06:00:13]


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User currently offlineSidishus From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 519 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 7571 times:

Quoting Woodreau (Reply 2):
Then you can figure out which aircraft carrier it is. The one in the picture is the Eisenhower. It's an awfully old picture as well. haven't seen A-5s and F-4's on Eisenhower in a long time.

you are right about the photo being vintage...circa 1978...but those are not A-5s, they are A-7s



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 7562 times:

A brief rundown on USN carriers hull numbers. In active service are...
CV-63 Kitty Hawk
CVN-65 Enterprise
CV-67 JFK
CVN-68 Nimitz
CVN-69 Eisenhower
CVN-70 Vinson
CVN-71 Roosevelt
CVN-72 Lincoln
CVN-73 Washington
CVN-74 Stennis
CVN-75 Truman
CVN-76 Reagan
CVN-77 Bush (under construction)
Regards.



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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

Thx a lot for the answers guys!!

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 4):
CVN-77 Bush

WTF???After Jr or Sr??  Wink

Mike



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7530 times:

Bush Senior. CVN-77 is named the USS George Herbert Walker Bush. He was a USN Avenger pilot in WWII, shot down and picked up by the USS Finback. Bush Junior was an ANG reservist F-102 pilot who never saw combat during his flying days in the late 1960s. Regards.


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User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

Which begs a question - are there any carriers in reserve? AFAIK there are three at Bremerton WA but they are all due for disposal:

CV-59 Ranger
CV-62 Independence
CV-64 Constellation

also

CV-60 Saratoga (at Newport RI)

 ghost 



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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 7):
Which begs a question - are there any carriers in reserve? AFAIK there are three at Bremerton WA but they are all due for disposal:

I have overflown a mothballed carrier out by Benicia (SF Bay area). It looks pretty small, so probably one of those Marine carriers or an old WWII one. Have no idea why they still keep all those boats out there, they are in miserable condition.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 7309 times:

Ghostbase...Not to nit-pick, but Ranger is CV-61. Forrestal is CV-59. I don't think any carriers are held in reserve anymore.
NorCal...the only WWII carrier on the west coast is the Hornet CV-12, in Alameda. Could you have overflown this ship? Otherwise it had to be an assault vessel, perhaps an old Iwo Jima class ship.
Regards.



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 9):
I don't think any carriers are held in reserve anymore.

You'd be correct, Flagship. The Ranger and Independence were held in reserve, but they're currently only being held for disposal, Ranger as a possible museum ship, and Independence in an unknown capacity. Also, Ranger was downgraded to Maintenance Catgory X which, means that she will be "retained and receive no maintenance or preservation. Only security against fire, flooding, and pilferage will be provided."



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User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

Flagship, I've seen the same ship Norcal was referring to. I've got no firm idea on what it was (ww2 pocket carrier, amphib assault ship, etc) but it's definitely not the USS Hornet. This one is moored at the old Mare island shipyard, north San Francisco Bay. If you look on google maps, satellite view, she's on the east side of mare island about 3 miles northwest of the Carquinez bridge or about 20-25 miles north/northeast of the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge for those who don't know the SF bay very well

[Edited 2005-07-25 21:03:04]

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 7224 times:

Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 11):
Flagship, I've seen the same ship Norcal was referring to. I've got no firm idea on what it was (ww2 pocket carrier, amphib assault ship, etc) but it's definitely not the USS Hornet. This one is moored at the old Mare island shipyard, north San Francisco Bay

I think y'alls "ghost ship" is the former USS New Orleans (LPH-11), an Iwo Jima class amphibious assault ship. She's moored at Suisun Bay and is tagged to be donated as a museum or a memorial.




South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

That sounds about right. I just realized Norcal and I were talking about different ships. He's talking Benicia (probably the New Orleans, you can see her on that google maps sat view), and I'm talking about the one next to Vallejo (represent!) at the former Mare Island shipyard. My apologies for the mix-up, but we're talking about two different ships

[Edited 2005-07-25 22:12:27]

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 7175 times:

Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 13):
and I'm talking about the one next to Vallejo (represent!) at the former Mare Island shipyard.

In that case, Duce, your mystery ship is ex-New Orleans's sister, the former USS Tripoli (LPH-10), which was leased over to the Army in '97 for use as a missile trials platform.




South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 7173 times:

That photo actually depicts an E-2, F-4, and an A-7 AND an F-8....pretty cool photo, you didn't see the Saders with the SLUFs quite often.

Not sure what the Navy is thinking nowadays, apparently they're not keeping any carriers in reserve, and are in fact trying to get rid of any they have. USS America (CV-66) is headed out to be sunk in the near future, apparently. Sad to see.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 15):
USS America (CV-66) is headed out to be sunk in the near future, apparently. Sad to see.

That actually happened a little over 3 months ago.

[Edited 2005-07-25 23:08:49]


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User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 9):
Ghostbase...Not to nit-pick, but Ranger is CV-61. Forrestal is CV-59.

Oops - my mistake. Must pop over the pond again to Bremerton and take a look...just to be sure  Wink

 ghost 



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Apparently so  Sad


The USS America Association website has several photos of her before her final voyage...still looks high and mighty even today.

http://www.ussamerica.org/Scrapbook/april_19_2005/final_voyage.htm

Apparently there's a push to name CVN-78 the USS America...I say go for it.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 7103 times:

Wow -- I was under the impression that there would be no photos of her sinking.....

User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months ago) and read 7086 times:

Thanks Garnet! I've been wondering about her for a couple months now (last time I went to Mare island). Thanks for the info!

Definitely rename her USS America, Ships shouldn't be named after people still alive. It seems like it would delute the honor/significance. Like how it seems every AF general is now awarded the AF order of the sword as part of their outprocessing checklist or something


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months ago) and read 7086 times:

That's the only one the Navy provided...no shots of the actual hull slipping beneath the waves, or of the battle damage she sustained. I wonder which flattop they're going to try to do this to next? Apparently she would have never become a museum, as the steel in her hull was deteriorated and beyond donation.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4363 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 18):
The USS America Association website has several photos of her before her final voyage...still looks high and mighty even today

She was a beauty. I saw her when she pulled into Naval Station Norfolk pier like in April. Apparently, it is now an artificial reef some miles off the coast of Virginia.

Kevin



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6997 times:

I thought the America was really deep-sixed, too deep for divers to mess with her. So she's reachable for sport divers then? I wonder if she landed right side up, much like the original Saratoga did in the Bikini Atolls in the late 1940s. Regards.


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

I understand they sunk her in 6,000 feet of water....a little too deep for my diving taste!

I think the photos of the actual destruction will be kept under wraps for a long time, as to not reveal any weaknesses of these carriers. Would be interesting to see what did her in, whether it be a warhead from a subsurface, surface, or air combatant. The HUD tapes would be interesting to see.

Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 22):
I saw her when she pulled into Naval Station Norfolk pier like in April

So what were they doing with her in Norfolk, Kevin? Loading explosives aboard? The photos of her sailing under the bridges looked almost surreal...almost as if she was returning from a cruise and had her crew manning the rails.

DeltaGuy


25 Thorny : There is also the sub USS James E. Carter. Both Bush Sr. and Carter are suitable names for Navy warships, IMO. Better than naming a top of the line c
26 Garnetpalmetto : Democratic Congressman from Georgia who served over 50 years in Congress, first chair of the House Armed Services Committee and served in that capaci
27 Waterpolodan : Which aircraft carrier was in storage in Philly recently? I flew into PHL maybe 2 years ago and on approach we crossed over a pretty large aircraft ca
28 Garnetpalmetto : It was probably America. However, you could have also confused ex-Guadalcanal (LPH-7) for a CV, depending on the date, as she was stored in Philly fo
29 DeltaGuy : The Honorable Mr. Vinson was also the first man in American history to be alive to see a warship christened bearing his name. Right as soon as you ge
30 Ozair : How long till the Kittyhawk is retired? It was in SYD the other week and was looking rather worn. Will CVN-77 just replace it. I had heard a rumor th
31 FlagshipAZ : I've always heard that the Navy wants 12 carriers in commission, no less. Granted, there will be a few in homeports & drydocks at any given time. The
32 NorCal : Why did they sink the America?
33 Post contains images DeltaGuy : Yes it is, as it is the oldest Naval Ship in Commission. Rather, I believe that's the Union Jack...been awhile since I brushed up on my Naval Regs...
34 CaptOveur : Since someone asked about Carl Vinson (Thank you) Who the hell is/was John C. Stennis?
35 Post contains links DeltaGuy : Mr Stennis was the 2nd longest serving member of the Senate to date...was sometimes called the "father of the modern navy", at least as much as a poli
36 Woodreau : The Don't Tread on Me flag indicates the oldest commissioned ship in the Navy, but after 9/11, all ships were directed to fly the "Don't Tread on Me"
37 Post contains images DeltaGuy : Then it must be the Union Jack? Been awhile since I was around any Navy ship I'm afraid DeltaGuy
38 Garnetpalmetto : As Woodreau pointed out, from 1977 up until 5/22/02, the First Navy Jack (the so-called "Don't Tread On Me" flag) was the sole province of the oldest
39 Post contains images AR1300 : isn't all that paint and chemical stuff usually bad for the marine life??? They could've made beer cans with it, like with the swedish Viggens Mike.
40 Post contains images FlagshipAZ : Slightly off topic here, but after the Kitty Hawk eventually retires, which USN ship would then be the oldest in commission? Besides Old Ironsides of
41 Garnetpalmetto : I believe it would go to Enterprise, as both she and Kitty Hawk were commissioned just months apart
42 Dc8jet : Looking at the view of Newport RI on google there are two carriers. One is the Saratoga which is going to be a museum at the old Quanset Point NAS. An
43 Garnetpalmetto : That would be the former USS Forrestal (CV-59)
44 Post contains links USAFHummer : Here's an image from Google Maps...PHL Runway 27R is the one whose threshold is just sticking out on the lower left (not the runway above it where yo
45 747400sp : Not to change the subject, but I wanted to know what level was a Iwo Jima class LPH flight deck located. I know a LHA/LHDs are located on the 03 level
46 Post contains links and images Boeing4ever : It's not as simple as that. Harmful chemicals and other substances are removed during decommissioning...well they are removed before the sinking comm
47 PSAjet17 : The flight deck on the LPHs was the 03 deck. Just checked with my dad who was on New Orleans (LPH-11).
48 747400sp : Thank You PSAjet17
49 F4N : To all: I guess I have an issue with the manner in which the USN names carriers now. With all due respect to Mssers Vinson & Stennis, do they really d
50 DeltaGuy : F4N, sir, I will have to disagree with your statements. Vinson and Stennis were very avid proponents of the carrier Navy, and naming a flattop after t
51 F4N : DeltaGuy: Thanks for the response. I don't often post on the military side, but the subject of carrier names always interested me. That said, I disagr
52 FlagshipAZ : Tell me F4N...in your opinion, who or what shall the future carriers of the USN be named for? I certainly would like to read your criterias for naming
53 L-188 : That is the reason why to this day I still refuse to call Anchorage International Airport....Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport.
54 F4N : FlagshipAZ: Carriers should be named to: Stand as a monument to the country - there should always be a carrier named America or United States. Perpetu
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