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B-52 Low Level Training  
User currently offlineCheshire From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 112 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Just wondering if anyone knows the answer to this one:

Do B-52s and B-1Bs still train for low level penetration missions?

Are low level profiles flown in training at all? Is it part of ACC's heavy bomber training syllabus any more?

thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6556 times:

I don't know about current, but I do know a story of a B-52 crew that was low level training and lost the rudder. Believe it or not that stubborn bird brought the crew home without it!! I Hope someone backs this story up with links for me because I have only 'heard it around' and from a C-130 FE.

User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6536 times:

I have seen a picture of the plane sans fin and rudder. It was long before the days of Adobe Photoshop.
Gary
Cottage Grove, MN



Seeking an honest week's pay for an honest day's work
User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6483 times:




"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
User currently offlineUlfinator From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

A good friend of mine is a B-1B WSO and I know that they stay current on low level flight. Gotta love 500ft of the deck. As a matter of fact when I was down there I got to fly low level in the B-1B sim and then got showed how to perform the pop up they do for weapons delivery. Pretty darn fun.

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6425 times:

Quoting Vzlet (Reply 3):

Don't ya just love Boeing? This is reminiscent of the pictures of B-17s coming home with massive damage and acres of sheet metal missing.

"Fly the biggest piece home."



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineCheshire From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

that's why they say "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going......."

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6330 times:

Quoting Cheshire (Reply 6):
that's why they say "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going......."

I'd love to see the reaction to THIS in "Civil" Aviation.


User currently offlineSidishus From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 519 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Don't ya just love Boeing? This is reminiscent of the pictures of B-17s coming home with massive damage and acres of sheet metal missing.

"Fly the biggest piece home."

Newer Boeings have not fared as well with rudder issues.




the truth: first it is ridiculed second it is violently opposed finally it is accepted as self-evident
User currently offlineSidishus From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 519 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Quoting Sidishus (Reply 8):
Newer Boeings have not fared as well with rudder issues.

But you would stand an even lesser chance of continuing on to live a long and healthy life in a modern Airbus...




[Edited 2005-08-11 17:55:16]


the truth: first it is ridiculed second it is violently opposed finally it is accepted as self-evident
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12884 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

I would assume that low-level training is still done as the B-52 is still a mainstay of the Air Force today and for the forseeable future. Not every bombing mission requires - nor should it for accuracy - high altitude Stealth bombers. I recall back in July 1982, crossing the State of Wyoming, of hearing a huge roar above me as I drove along a road - turned out to be a B-52, on a low level (>1000 from the 'deck') run. That roaring bird got my attention!

User currently offlineBsergonomics From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

Before reading this post, please note that I am not involved in B1 or B52 operations. The opinions expressed are based entirely on knowledge of military aircraft operations in general. Thank you for listening.

======

Low level... Hmm...

The definition of low level is, "You and you aircraft are airborne and not touching the ground." 1000 feet is not low level. 500 feet is kind of low level. 50 feet AGL and below IS low level. An aircraft can fly anywhere between the ground and its operational ceiling. Therefore, the airforce does and has to practice operations in all permutations of the flight envelope. If it doesn't then it is not maximising the potential of the fleet. More to the point, if it doesn't and the threat changes, then it will be unpreparared to meet the new challenge. And that is the purpose of an airforce (and any other force) that may have to go to war: to be prepared for it if and when it happens.



The definition of a 'Pessimist': an Optimist with experience...
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 5822 times:

I would say, yes....


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5688 times:
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