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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Saw the following pix in the 12 Sept Aviation Week today:



Sorry for the poor res, thats the way it downloaded off of AvWeeks site.
Anyhow it shows Katrina Evacuees sitting on the cargo floor of a C-17 with cargo straps used to hold them in place.

In my time in the Air Force I never sent pax out like this, and I know of only one previous time when it was done -- C-5s on Operation Babylift.

Just curious - did the crew know going in this was going to be the deal or did they find out after arrival? Any special procedures to be followed in this situation? A steep climb out would be "sporty" for the pax.   I imagine it wasn't a long trip either -- that floor must get cold....

Oh and the pix is on page 21 of the 12 Sept issue if you want a better look.

Thanks

edit: I'm curious to why the troop seats, sides & centerlines, were not used?

[Edited 2005-09-23 21:33:17]

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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Same pix. Better res, I hope. Found on www.af.mil

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/SATL382G/c-17pax_floor_hires.jpg


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Thread starter):
I'm curious to why the troop seats, sides & centerlines, were not used?

It LOOKS like the side seats at there... I can't IMAGINE feeling comfortable at all not being 'properly strapped in' in some manner. This is obviously a pre taxi pic, so I think this could represent a disparate reality to what happened when the a/c rotated.


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
It LOOKS like the side seats at there... I can't IMAGINE feeling comfortable at all not being 'properly strapped in' in some manner. This is obviously a pre taxi pic, so I think this could represent a disparate reality to what happened when the a/c rotated.

The side seats are a permanent fixture in the aircraft. They are always there.
Which just makes it curiouser that they are not used. And it's always been my understanding that the centerline seats always travel with the aircraft as well, they just get stowed on the aft pressure door.

I expect the Loadmasters had to do some Human Resource Management (Yelling) before takeoff to get the pax sitting up, holding the strap, etc. The Loads, 2 in the back left corner, appear to be wearing a shoulder holster.

Generally speaking, the loads won't allow pax aboard the aircraft unless the aircraft is in the configuration they intend to use. So I'm assuming they went out sitting on the floor.

edit: It appears some folks, back left hand side of the pix, are seating in the side seats.

[Edited 2005-09-23 22:13:40]

User currently offlineC17loadmstr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Thread starter):
Just curious - did the crew know going in this was going to be the deal or did they find out after arrival?

I'd imagine so. We were briefed two days (the same time the levees broke and all the sh!t started) after the hurricane hit to prepare for a mass evacuation of N.O. Using the configuration of sidewall/centerline seat allows only 102 passengers. Using the floor loading method, we can take up to 250...depending on how close the folks will sit next to one another.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 3):
And it's always been my understanding that the centerline seats always travel with the aircraft as well, they just get stowed on the aft pressure door.

True statement. About 2/3 the way up, just aft of the toes.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 3):
edit: It appears some folks, back left hand side of the pix, are seating in the side seats.

My guess is they are the ones that required some special assistance getting on the aircraft, ie. wheelchairs, etc. Last on, first off.

edit: Here's a pic from AF.mil of the evacuation of Keesler. This will give you a better idea of the amount of folks packed into the C-17.

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/050901-F-9085B-027.jpg

[Edited 2005-09-24 06:19:01]

User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Thanks C17Load, I was hoping you'd chime in...

That photo is unique...


User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Great Keesler shot. Where is that picture taken from to get that viewpoint, and are the troops facing forward or aft?

User currently offlineB747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Quoting Wannabe (Reply 6):
Where is that picture taken from to get that viewpoint, and are the troops facing forward or aft?

There is a catwalk structure used for getting on top of the Aircraft through a hatch. The picture is taken from that.

The troops are facing fwd.

Brian



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Quoting B747 (Reply 7):
There is a catwalk structure used for getting on top of the Aircraft through a hatch.

B747, Is the catwalk just above the flight deck observation window in this shot? I should know, I've been on the C-17 enough times, never spent much time on the flight deck though..  Smile

BTW -- Looks like there is some test bird instrumentation on the center section tank. It appears to be strapped on with commercial type cargo straps!!


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User currently offlineC17loadmstr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

The catwalk is directly above the bubble window on the forward bulkhead. It sticks out approximately 7 feet and is used to acces the maintenance/ditching hatch.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 8):
BTW -- Looks like there is some test bird instrumentation on the center section tank. It appears to be strapped on with commercial type cargo straps!!

Nope, that's the centerline fuel tank. It looks ghetto and people ask that question all the time but it's really the fuel tank. All the birds starting at P-71 have that modification.

Ask away SATL382G, I'm here to answer all your C-17 questions.  Smile


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Quoting C17loadmstr (Reply 9):
Nope, that's the centerline fuel tank. It looks ghetto and people ask that question all the time but it's really the fuel tank. All the birds starting at P-71 have that modification.

I know it's the tank.  Smile Are you saying the "cargo straps" are standard equipment and not instrumentation?


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting C17loadmstr (Reply 9):
I'm here to answer all your C-17 questions.

Do you know a Technical Sergeant John Phillips in CHS? He is a loadmaster as well?



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User currently offlineB747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 10):
I know it's the tank. Are you saying the "cargo straps" are standard equipment and not instrumentation?

The straps are on all 17's with the extended range tanks, it is definatly not instrumentation. The ER tanks allows an additional 50k or so of fuel. obviously the starps are not the primary means of support for the tanks, but there to help hold the grey outer tank liner in place.

Brian



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Quoting B747 (Reply 12):
but there to help hold the grey outer tank liner in place.

As the man said earlier "it's pretty ghetto", but if it works what the hey...
So is the "Max Wt 550LBS" stenciled on the liner referring to the weight of the liner? It looks sort of odd, not likely anyone would be walking around up there.....


User currently offlineB747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 13):
So is the "Max Wt 550LBS" stenciled on the liner referring to the weight of the liner? It looks sort of odd, not likely anyone would be walking around up there.....

Good question, but I have no answer for that one, seems odd for sure.

Brian



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User currently offlineUnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Evacuation of critically ill hospital patients from Texas prior to hurricane Rita.


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