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New Hampshire ANG KC-135 Question  
User currently onlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Do the NH KC-135s operating out of Pease see a lot of refueling action? It would seem so, given that the New England area is a mid-way point for many of the C-5 and C-17 flights going to and coming from Frankfurt, not to mention fighter jets. Is that the case, or do our KC-135s just see normal duty relative to other refueling wings? Also, wouldn't it make sense to have KC-10s at Pease rather than KC-135s?

Chris in NH

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User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

Looking at the base run, all 9 assigned there are sitting on the ground doing nothing.

There isn't that many KC-10s to begin with, only 59 in service. There is no plan in spreading them out, and it wouldn't make any sense. With the aging 135 fleet, they belong mostly in the gaurd and reserve. KC 10s are still new compared to the 135s. Travis and McGuire will keep there 10s for a long time. It makes sense that Pease has 135s, cause they don't fly much. McGuire and Travis fly ALOT more, of course being active duty, you can expect that.


User currently onlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Do these tanker bases all have 'assigned areas?' In other words, if a plane needs fuel up around Newfoundland or Halifax, would it be a Pease aircraft doing the duty because that is the closest base to where the fueling needs to take place? Or is there overlap? Like a Pease plane might do a refuel down around Baltimore while a McGuire plane might do a refuel somewhere over Maine??

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User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 2):
Like a Pease plane might do a refuel down around Baltimore while a McGuire plane might do a refuel somewhere over Maine??

Its more like that. They do funny stuff. Remember, Pease is controlled by the State of NH, not the federal government like McGuire. ANG bases are mainly for state support. Although they may help world wide missions, they still at some rate support the state. Example would be is if a killer ice storm struck the state, and they wanted to fly C-130s around the storm, they may use the 135s for ARs.

ANG units also deploy. Usually as a unit. An example of this is the Mississippi ANG, which was deployed to Turkey. Most of them have returned though due to Katrina. Again, supporting their own state is higher priority.


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Usally Bangor Maine ANG cover the NE approaches to the United States, at least they were 3 years ago with their KC-135E's


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User currently onlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 3):
ANG bases are mainly for state support.

Dear New Hampshire Air National Guard:
I would like to borrow one of your KC-135s this winter for snow removal. My snowblower is getting old, and I figure your plane will do the job nicely. Besides, it will make for a nice lawn decoration once Spring arrives. The wife will just need to accept this. This will leave you with eight other jets; more than enough, I would think.

Thank you!

Your friend from Brookline, NH,

Chris


User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
Dear New Hampshire Air National Guard:
I would like to borrow one of your KC-135s this winter for snow removal. My snowblower is getting old, and I figure your plane will do the job nicely. Besides, it will make for a nice lawn decoration once Spring arrives. The wife will just need to accept this. This will leave you with eight other jets; more than enough, I would think.

Thank you!

Your friend from Brookline, NH,

Chris

LOL


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Thread starter):
Also, wouldn't it make sense to have KC-10s at Pease rather than KC-135s?

The KC-10s are Active Duty Air Force, which means they operate from Active Duty bases. One of the big arguments during the BRAC hearings is that McGuire AFB NJ after the President signs off on these recomendations will be the only Active Duty Air Base (for any branch of the Armed Forces) in the Northeast US.

When they close Brunswick NAS in Maine that will be the last active duty air field in the New England region.

Quoting ChrisNH (Thread starter):
so, given that the New England area is a mid-way point for many of the C-5 and C-17 flights going to and coming from Frankfurt

If that were the main concern then forget New Hampshire they would make the Maine ANG at Bangor the main North Atlantic Refueling Wing, and perhaps keep Brunswick NAS or former Loring AFB in Maine open as KC-10/KC-135 active duty bases.



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User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4846 times:

I believe that Pease ANGB is actually on federal land (as opposed to State of NH).. As I recall, it was the land retained by the feds after the AFB closed. For what it's worth.

Their aircraft actually seem to fly pretty frequently - there always seems to be a "Pack" something-or-other in the air when I'm up flying. No idea if they are doing actual refueling missions, transports, training or what.


User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

NETTF

That is their bread and butter


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

I was stationed at Pease AFB, NH from 1978-1980 and 1985-1990 with the 509th AREFS, 509th Bomb Wing (M). The NHANG and us flew a lot of refueling missions for Trans-Atlantic traffic. Up until 1990, the Pease Tanker Task Force was there, then moved to Plattsburgh AFB, NY shortly before Pease closed. The other tanker units in New England, and Northeast, were the MEANG at Bangor, 42nd Bomb Wing, Loring AFB, ME, 380th Bomb Wing, Plattsburgh AFB, NY, and the 416th Bomb Wing, Griffiss AFB, NY, the PAANG at Pittburg.

There still is a huge demand for refueling support in the NE corridors. But, no one unit can handle all of it when you consider weather factors, thus the NHANG still has KC-135Rs, the MEANG still has KC-135Es, the NJANG still has KC-135Es, but converting to "R"s, and the KC-10As at McGuire.

As long as we have C-17As, that cannot make it across the pond with full cargo loads, you are going to need tankers in the NE US.


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