GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13498 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3954 times:
I heard of this recently, at our annual Concorde Engineering reunion, someone with knowledge of ops at RAF Lyneham confirmed a shoot down.
This was a special forces flight aircraft, operating at low level.
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3933 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 3): This was a special forces flight aircraft, operating at low level.
So where did the special forces personel go to? The low level flying was a normal operational decision which has now been moved up to something thats decided by the pilots during the flight.
The following were named as being on the aircraft at the time:
Flt Lt David Stead - Crew
Flt Lt Andrew Smith - Crew
Flt Lt Paul Pardoel - Crew
Master Engineer Gary Nicholson - Crew
Chief Technician Richard Brown - Crew
Flt Sgt Mark Gibson - Crew
Sgt Robert O'Connor - Crew
Cpl David Williams - Crew
Sqn Ldr Patrick Marshall - Liason officer, passenger
Acting L/Cpl Steven Jones - Royal Signals, passenger
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3844 times:
This sounds like a lucky hit from an RPG. I have heard that oftentimes the jihaddis will fire them in groups ahead of the flight path--more "effective" in the case of helos, but they could have gotten real lucky with the C-130. If it were a SAM-7, the aircraft's countermeasures should have been able to handle it. There is no defense against bad luck.
[Edited 2005-12-09 01:52:16]
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3782 times:
When aircraft are shot down this is mostly clear immediately / in a few hours.
However it is always politically / PR wise better to say "an investigation is under way", "all options are open at this moment", "no further conclusions can be drawn at this moment" and the "a investigation report on the incident will be released asap".
Downing show & low flying targets doesn't require a lot of luck as was show in Vietnam, were thousands of helo's & transport were brought down by small arms.