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A380 As Presidential Aircraft?  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12535 times:

Assuming that a future President of Europe (or European Union, or European Council -- I'm not sure which one applies these days) decides to purchase an exclusive new Presidential aircraft, wouldn't the A380 be an attractive option?

For that matter, wouldn't the prestige of a European Presidential A380 eclipse that of the current king of executive aircraft, Air Force One?

Would a U.S. President accept the idea that his own aircraft would no longer "rule the skies" as the world's largest, most prestigious, flying executive mansion?

Would the U.S. even purchase and convert an A380 or two for its own Presidential use?

Points to ponder.

A European Presidential A380 would also lend prestige to commercial A380's by association, I would think.

[Edited 2005-12-22 01:19:07]

[Edited 2005-12-22 01:21:58]

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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12524 times:

If I were the president of europe, I'd rather have an A350 than a WhaleJet.

User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12499 times:

No offense But i really don't think the size of the Presidential Aircraft matters much as far as the might of a country/its world status.....

User currently offline777D From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12498 times:

I have to admit that bigger isn't always better, however it would be something that I would like to see. I would attract a tremendous amount of attention. This brings another point, is that a good thing to bring that much attention to a very influential position?

User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3763 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12497 times:

This would not be politically feasible. The nogotiations on the EU budget showed already that it is extremely difficult to agree on anything already. Buying an A380 would make no sense.

An A330, A350 or A319CJ would be different.

Michael


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12488 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
If I were the president of europe, I'd rather have an A350 than a WhaleJet

But think of all the room you would have on an A380 -- not just for you, but for all your entourage, and maybe even a limousine or two. Heck, maybe even a Presidential helicopter! An A380 could surely be fitted to allow such cargo to be easily disembarked.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12483 times:

Well the thing about the A380 is that many airports will not be configured for it. For instance, I don't think the "president" would want to be restricted to landing at places like LHR, NRT, etc. You can bet that the US would never purchase one for this purpose.

That said, I look forward to flying on the A380 one day, and I hope it is successful!


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12479 times:

I dunno, not sure you'd fit the olympic size swimming pool into the 350

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
For that matter, wouldn't the prestige of a European Presidential A380 eclipse that of the current king of executive aircraft, Air Force One?

Don't be giving him ideas, WAIT you can call it EUJet hahaha

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Would the U.S. even purchase and convert an A380 or two for its own Presidential use?

never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever! ....... ever



John Hancock
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12446 times:

how about an A345E? 4 engines for safety from missile attacks and such, super long range in presidential trim, bigger than an A359.


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12415 times:
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How would you get a helicopter, or a limo, into an A380? Through the tilt-up nose Big grin

User currently offlineIAH744 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12393 times:

I don't think that would work out very well...

I'd rather have a gulfstream g550 than a "whale jet"




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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12368 times:

Quoting IAH744 (Reply 11):

I'd rather have a gulfstream g550 than a "whale jet"

I'm with you. Much faster and much better cabin atmosphere, plus they can land nearly anywhere.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12312 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
4 engines for safety from missile attacks and such

Missile attacks? If your aircraft is shot by missiles, I don't think it really matters how many engines are on it.  Wink


User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12291 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 13):
Missile attacks? If your aircraft is shot by missiles, I don't think it really matters how many engines are on it.

Probably one of the only smart comments here on A.Net

amen



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6541 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12288 times:

First of all, there is no president of the EU. There is a chairman of the EU - rotating every six month between the prime ministers of the member states, at present Tony Blair, UK.

When not too long time ago it was Danish prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, then he made pretty heavy use of a Challenger biz jet of which the Royal Danish Air Force has 3 which are mostly used for fishery patrol in the North Atlantic.

Ireland bought a new Learjet when last time they were in the chair.

Size doesn't matter. You just add more planes when one isn't enough. An A380 would be much too small for GWB.

When some 6-7 years back Bill Clinton visited our Queen, then he arrived on two VC-25A and three C-5B.

But those five planes were not enough for his journey. When he left Copenhagen, he went to Prague to visit president Vaclav Havel. At that time a few C-5s had already been in Prague for some time while the three C-5s in Copenhagen spent a day on packing the last baggage.

It's a myth that the US president just packs his stuff into Air Force One and goes out in the world. It's a lot more complicated than that. But when he goes on for instance 2 x VC-25A + 3 x C-5, then those five planes may take off from five different air bases in the USA.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12279 times:

There's no single European governmental figure that needs access to as much in the way of communications and other resources as does the sitting U.S. president, so I don't see any EU person needing an A380. I suspect we will find a lot of 747SPs replaced by them, though.  Wink


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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12247 times:

A few countries already have aircraft (*technically*) larger than Air Force One. Junichiro Koizumi uses two 747-400s, and I'm sure there's a Gulf leader or two that has a 747-400 as well.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12234 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 13):
Missile attacks? If your aircraft is shot by missiles, I don't think it really matters how many engines are on it.

Actually, the maximum damage that a shoulder-fired SAM can do to an airliner is damage an engine.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12195 times:

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 15):
First of all, there is no president of the EU. There is a chairman of the EU - rotating every six month between the prime ministers of the member states, at present Tony Blair, UK.

At the Moment the president of the EU is actually Tony Blair, the president of the EU is the leader of the country that holds the presidency of the EU at that time. We also have presidents of the European Commission, José Manuel Barroso and the European Parliament, Josep Borrell i Fontelles.

So maybe they need a fleet of 380's

http://europa.eu.int



John Hancock
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6541 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12196 times:

BTW, among Bill Clinton's "baggage" when he visited the Danish Queen was three Boeing CH-47 Chinook helicopters.

Going from CPH the 25 miles to the royal summer cottage he used all three of them. They arrived on the royal lawn almost simultaneously, but from three different directions.

It was a rather noisy arrival, also because the royal dog began barking when those three Chinooks came in from all corners.

Maybe that was his way to kill the rather high local taxi costs.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineAileron11 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12147 times:

I don't think that the US government will buy an aircraft from another country for the President of the United States. Think about why they would do that when we have Boeing right here in the states.


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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12139 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Would the U.S. even purchase and convert an A380 or two for its own Presidential use?

This would never happen. For the same reason you will never see a Rolls Royce as a US presidential limo. It would be political suicide for a U.S. president to chose another country's aircraft over an American one.


User currently offlineAJRfromSYR From United States of America, joined May 2005, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12119 times:

Quoting Aileron11 (Reply 21):
I don't think that the US government will buy an aircraft from another country for the President of the United States. Think about why they would do that when we have Boeing right here in the states.

Right... look into the tanker project.



-AJR-
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12108 times:

Well, the new Marine one will be from another country.

User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12049 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 24):
Well, the new Marine one will be from another country.

Probably because the US does not make a suitable alternative.


25 Levg79 : US government is not allowed to purchase anything from abroad if it can be purchased from a US company. Therefore, you'll never have American presiden
26 Hiflyer : For the US president the 380 is impractical due to size and inability of majority of airports at most US cities to handle it. That fact almost sunk go
27 PHXinterrupted : A myth? Maybe in Europe. Americans are well aware of the numerous planes and weeks of planning it requires for the President to fly anywhere, even wi
28 Klaus : Apart from all the other arguments: The primary problem airports today have with the A380 are with their terminals which state visitors generally don'
29 474218 : You can fly any where in the EU in under two hours, and visiting EU country is the only thing the EU President would ever do, because he has no author
30 DarthRandall : Probably, but I imagine something a bit smaller like an A340 would probably be more practical. How much space does an executive officer really need?
31 EMBQA : The short answer NO..!! US Government contracts to purchase all have a clause in them that a fixed percentage of the purchase must be built in the Un
32 Magyar : Why should the EU president be like the US president? Even if the EU will ever be as powerful as the US is! I would certainly appreciate a president w
33 474218 : The new Marine 1 helicopter (for the Presidental Fleet) is the US101 a European design with major subassemblies built in the UK, and Italy, but will
34 Sprout5199 : I can't believe how much penis envy the EU has. The current "AF1" was bought buy Pres. Ronnie in the 1980s. It wasn't bought because it was the bigges
35 DarthRandall : How did this thread become so freudian? Sometimes a WhaleJet is just a WhaleJet.
36 Post contains images AerospaceFan : ^^I loved the crack about the upturned nose, upstream. The way I visualized it was that a Presidential helicopter bay could be incorporated into the r
37 Post contains images Halls120 : When hell freezes over, and pigs fly.
38 Manni : Wether your president accepts it or not but when the Emperor of Japan is out, he takes his executive 747-400's. Perhaps it's acceptable in the US (ho
39 AJRfromSYR : Interesting statement...
40 Post contains images Deaphen : The thing is .. its simple economics, the president of the USA would never be caught dead owning an airbus. I mean it would just go against the princi
41 Columba : 1. Most of the Europeans here have posted the opposit, that they do not want a A380 as a Presidential aircraft. 2.The question of the A380 being a su
42 Mdsh00 : News flash, US presidents before and after GWB have and will continue to mess up air traffic when AF1 comes into town. I don't like the president eit
43 Post contains images Pyrex : Well, not exactly (modern SAMs could still knock an aircraft out of the sky with a bit of luck) but mostly yes, as has been demonstrated by the DHL A
44 WhiteHatter : Won't ever happen. The President of the EU would use chartered aircraft or loaned national ones if anything. Buying one for the EU president would be
45 Post contains images Keesje : Maybe the Japanese, Chinese, Indian president or Emir in a few years. LHT is already offering interiors for the A380 VVIP
46 Bennett123 : Actually the A300 was not the first airliner to survive a SAM strike, there was an AZ DC8 about 30 years ago. GWB will never have an A380, even if B74
47 WhiteHatter : hasn't there already been an order placed for one?
48 N328KF : I have detected a distinct vitrolic trend in your posts.
49 WhiteHatter : I know it's all about willy waving, but does anyone really need an aircraft of the size of a 744 nowadays for Government work? After all communicatio
50 KC135TopBoom : Ahh, no. that is not correct. Actually, most terminals can handel the Whale right now. You just have to close the gates on either side and use one je
51 Bennett123 : Quite true Whitehatter. As you say smaller aircraft could be used. I think that apart from Comms equipment, that the next constraint is the number of
52 WhiteHatter : Blair uses a chartered 777 or A319 on occasion. Chirac uses the company A319CJ nowadays. To be honest most of the space gets filled with either flunk
53 Post contains images AerospaceFan : This discussion reminds me of the fact that Britain has (or used to have) a pretty luxurious royal yacht, which the sovereign would get to use. It is
54 Post contains images Agill : Well from reading some of your posts here that hardly comes as a surprice. I'd think you'd rather have a Cessna 150 than a WhaleJet
55 CTR : You are 100% correct! There is not a single individual in the US government whose demise will cause even the equivalent of a sneeze in either the US
56 Pavlin : there is no such thing as WhaleJet. There is only A380
57 WhiteHatter : It hasn't got the range. The C-17 does what it does because it's hugely overpowered and can lift large weights in and out of marginal airfields or un
58 Post contains images AerospaceFan : I love the C-17, but I don't think it would make a good Presidential aircraft compared to the 747 or A380. Not enough interior space, plus I don't kno
59 WhiteHatter : It also doesn't look right for the job. Your President is as much about PR as he is about leadership, and a VC-17 would not give the right impression
60 CTR : I was not suggesting replacing the current 747 with a C-17, instead I was thinking of the benefits of having a second aircraft with the short field, E
61 Post contains images AerospaceFan : That's an interesting point of view, CTR. I think the soundness of it is borne out by the fact that sometimes, the President does travel on "anonymous
62 Post contains images Gary2880 : right.... also says stuck up.... Ego trip... And etc... 2 VC-25s and 3 C-5s isn't exactly conspicuous, they might as well fly around with a big bulls
63 USAF336TFS : Sikorsky S-92. "Lost" the bid to replace the next Marine One due in large part to political pressure from two strong U.S. allies, namely the U.K. and
64 AerospaceFan : Forgive my ignorance, but what does "Y3" stand for? Thanks in advance.
65 ElGreco : No, Sirkorsky and other American helicopter manufacturer have not developped anything new for years, exept Osprey which is really something new, duri
66 CaptOveur : THe 707 was a Presidential aircraft for a long time and it was by no means the largest thing in the air. I doubt anyone really cares about the size.
67 MD90fan : What do they fly around in besides the Legacies Is there any pics of the S-92 in the US gov't livery?
68 Post contains images LifelinerOne : Yeah, but what if the engine is ripped of the wing, making fuel lines exposed and the sparks ingnite the fuel? And what if I aim my shoulder SAM righ
69 Agill : Wasn't there an A300 in Iraq that got hit by missiles, and managed to land after some serious drama a year or two ago?
70 Post contains images AerospaceFan : No. I'm far above the average age of most politicians.
71 Klaus : Which makes it operationally unfeasible. Of course many airports still have issues with taxiways and other details, but many other airports could adm
72 Aerlinguscargo : Although you can fit the equipment that's in VC-25 in a smaller air frame, why would the USAF want to do that. The extra room on board could be used t
73 MigFan : How about a Concorde while we are on the subject? That is the way to go!
74 AerospaceFan : Speaking of Air Force One, it's rare to see fighter aircraft accompanying it, but I understand that some are close by in many, if not all, cases. For
75 MigFan : According to official State Policy, AF1 flies unescorted to minimize the chance of a mid-air collision. The air routes AF1 takes are always within ran
76 AerospaceFan : What happens when AF1 is flying in international airspace, though?
77 Joness0154 : He doesn't have a (close) escort, and they kindly turn down any offer of one from a foreign country, for risk of a collision.
78 AerospaceFan : Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.
79 KJFK31L : Im sorry that you think the current, out of proportioned model of the A380 which, much like the 747SP, I would call "dimentionally challenged", is mo
80 L-188 : . Wrong just picture a nice hot pieice of schrapnel going into a half filled wing tank. Yup it was a DHL charter. Oh and BTW. There was an african pr
81 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Please don't get me wrong. I'm a big Boeing fan and hold stock in the company. I also think that the 747 is the most beautiful airliner in the skies.
82 Post contains images Poitin : Ah, but wouldn't it be worth it to see the "President of Europe" or maybe just Jacques Chirac arrive in Washington on a A380, get off and say to Bush
83 Post contains images Djw030468 : Yes...real men don't worry about size! We worry about quality!
84 Djw030468 : Not too worry, I think they're pretty defensive, considering the whole cartoon thing. I wouldn't want to be a Dane.....anywhere right now!
85 Pbottenb : For prestige I think that the number of Nimitz Class Aircraft carriers in the fleet matters most. Secondly, the number of Wasp Class Assault carriers
86 Post contains links Prebennorholm : Actually, last time I saw GWB on TV exit AF1, then AF1 was a C-17. The C-17 has a lot of advantages which sadly are very comfu these days. It has: -
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