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F-117 In Show '24'  
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

I have just started watching Season 4 of '24' on DVD. In the middle there is a story thread that has a F-117 'stolen' to shoot down AF1. Does anyone know whether the show producers used stock footage, or were they granted some assistance from the Air Force to get the scenes they needed?

Thanks,

Chris in NH

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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4158 times:

I have no idea where they got the film, but the F117 could not be used to shot down anything, it has no defensive (no guns, cannons, or air to air missiles) armament.

User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
I have no idea where they got the film, but the F117 could not be used to shot down anything, it has no defensive (no guns, cannons, or air to air missiles) armament.

Or, more to the point, no offensive air to air weapons. The military likes to label tactical bombers as either fighters (Air Force, F-117 and F-111) or attack (Navy/Marines, A-4, A-6, A-7, AV-8). The F-117 only employs 2 2,000lb laser guided bombs as armament.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Thanks Have Blue, I got my offense and defense mixed up.

Carl


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

I recall reading that the USAF has an office in the Pentagon or somewhere which deals exclusively with the movie and TV companies, and makes assets available where possible.

It was the same office which yanked cooperation with the studio which made "Independence Day" as they refused to delete all reference to Area 51 from the film.

However it is good PR after all to cooperate where possible with the entertainment industry.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

If there is an Air Force office that helps secure these sorts of things for Hollywood, surely they'd have suggested the right aircraft for that story line. I mean, it reflects badly on them if even a near casual observer could see that a F-117 could never accomplish that kind of mission. Then again, the F-117 is a 'cool-looking' and distinguishable aircraft and maybe the hope was that people wouldn't critique things so much.

Reminds me of the movie 'Airplane' where they showed a 707 that sounded like a B-17. But being a parody, surely it was part of the schtick. (And don't call me 'Shirley').

Chris in NH


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
the F117 could not be used to shot down anything

Or so the general public thinks. Not that I have any inside information or anything, but rumors go around occasionally that it can be equipped with AIM-9s and possibly AIM-120s. If I remember right, there is some info out there to substaintiate these claims, don't know where though at this time. Who knows if it has been used or tested... I'm sure if it has, we'll find out sooner or later (most likely, later).

:D


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
If there is an Air Force office that helps secure these sorts of things for Hollywood, surely they'd have suggested the right aircraft for that story line. I mean, it reflects badly on them if even a near casual observer could see that a F-117 could never accomplish that kind of mission. Then again, the F-117 is a 'cool-looking' and distinguishable aircraft and maybe the hope was that people wouldn't critique things so much.

If you think about it, 99% of the audience could not indentify what an aircraft is. They could watch a movie about two 747s dogfighting and believe they were spitfires if the actors said they were.

The military would provide advice on what is available and what would also 'look' right. The F-117 isn't classified or black project any more, and it might have the right on-screen presence for the particular job. That military office will also have enough experience to be able to give that sort of advice as well as they will have seen plenty of these projects in the past and know what would look 'right'.


User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3994 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
I have no idea where they got the film, but the F117 could not be used to shot down anything, it has no defensive (no guns, cannons, or air to air missiles) armament.

I think when Ned Vaughn's character first refers to the aircraft, he calls it a "Phoenix" or something other than F-117, Stealth, or Nighthawk. However, Jack Bauer later refers to the plane as an F-117.

The final episode of Season 4 of "24" has another, somewhat more realistic, air-to-air engagement. I'll say no more since I don't want to spoil the finale if you haven't seen it yet.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
I recall reading that the USAF has an office in the Pentagon or somewhere which deals exclusively with the movie and TV companies, and makes assets available where possible.

Yes, there is such an office. They began working extensively with the TV series "Stargate SG-1" after the pilot episode of that series featured an actor wearing both Staff Sergeant stripes and Major clusters (now infamously the "SG-1 Sergeant-Major"). Once the Air Force got involved, the portrayal of the Air Force in SG-1 became much more realistic. SG-1 also got to use a real Air Force Honor Guard and the Air Force Chief of Staff in some episodes.


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6):
rumors go around occasionally that it can be equipped with AIM-9s and possibly AIM-120s.

What for?


LY744.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting LY744 (Reply 9):
What for?

One use that comes to mind would be to get in missile range of an enemies AWACS or Sentry aircraft to shoot them down. This could also be fulfilled now with the F-22.

Not that I believe teh F-117 can be equipped for such a role.


User currently offlineAFHokie From United States of America, joined May 2004, 224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

It's called a TV show for a reason, and it may come as a shock to some of you, but it's called F.I.C.T.I.O.N.

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6):
Or so the general public thinks. Not that I have any inside information or anything, but rumors go around occasionally that it can be equipped with AIM-9s and possibly AIM-120s. If I remember right, there is some info out there to substaintiate these claims, don't know where though at this time. Who knows if it has been used or tested... I'm sure if it has, we'll find out sooner or later (most likely, later).

You indeed have NO inside information. It's statemtents like yours as to why I have to answer stupid questions from other people that are very much like you.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
I recall reading that the USAF has an office in the Pentagon or somewhere which deals exclusively with the movie and TV companies, and makes assets available where possible.

It's called the office of public affairs

back to drinkin' my christmas dinner....


User currently offlineCaptainjon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months ago) and read 3712 times:

I know its been awhile since the last reply, but if the F-117A isn't an offensive plane and it's armament is just bombs, then what is the difference with the B-2 Stealth Bomber?

User currently offlineAnMCOSon From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Thread starter):
In the middle there is a story thread that has a F-117 'stolen' to shoot down AF1. Does anyone know whether the show producers used stock footage, or were they granted some assistance from the Air Force to get the scenes they needed?

I laughed pretty hard when I seen that on tv last year, makes me laugh still when watching the dvd. As for the footage, I think its old stock footage from various documentaries. If I recall correctly, the shot of it just lifting off can be see on the stealth programs on the History Channel.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
I recall reading that the USAF has an office in the Pentagon or somewhere which deals exclusively with the movie and TV companies, and makes assets available where possible.

They mention that in season three in the behind the scenes stuff on the dvd.

Quoting Captainjon (Reply 12):
I know its been awhile since the last reply, but if the F-117A isn't an offensive plane and it's armament is just bombs, then what is the difference with the B-2 Stealth Bomber?

Payload and range.



What the? Did everything just jump around? Or did my brain just stroke off there for a second?
User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Quoting Captainjon (Reply 12):
I know its been awhile since the last reply, but if the F-117A isn't an offensive plane and it's armament is just bombs, then what is the difference with the B-2 Stealth Bomber?

The F-117, like the F-111, is a tactical bomber. The B-2, like the B-52, is a strategic bomber.



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User currently offlineCaptainJon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 14):
The F-117, like the F-111, is a tactical bomber. The B-2, like the B-52, is a strategic bomber.

thanks  Smile


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