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What Do You Think Of The Israeli Air Force?  
User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Is the IAF a good airforce?
I am Israeli so I can't really say that they are the best because it's my "home team"

What do non-Israelis think of the IAF?

49 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSin777er From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

I think it's a very good AF, 4th after The US, Russia, and China. With F-15s and F-16s. But the US was mad at the IAF awhile ago because it Helped China?

User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

Correct, it was either the Piton 3 or Piton 4 that Israel to China. America has told Israel not to sell to China any missles.

User currently offlineSpectre From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4054 times:

I think that their history speaks for its self. However what was the ability of the opposition?
I recntly saw a display by an IAF F-15 and it was awesome  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineFireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4049 times:

It was p 4.
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User currently offlineFireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4015 times:

True one is military forum proposal
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User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

IAF pilots are the best trained in the world.

User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Ehh.. I wouldn't rate it fourth....

In my opinion, their air force is second only to those of the United States and United Kingdom. Great organization.


User currently offlineHN From Finland, joined Mar 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

IAF is 4th AFTER US,UK,and Finland.

DO NOT say that IAF pilots are the best trained in the world, because that is not true.


User currently offlineSoren-a From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

It might be true that the IAF pilots are not the best trained in the world, but they are some of the most combat experienced when it comes to jet-fighters.
They have proven themself many times in combat, both during the many wars and during single raides, like the attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981 (if i remember correct).
According to an issue of Air Force Monthly a year or so ago, the IAF flew air-to-air traning missions against the US Navy. There is no official statment to the "kill-ratio", but IAF sources said it was something like 20:1 (can't remember the exact number) in favor of the IAF. The year after when the excise was held again, they flew in mix formations........

Regrads
Søren Augustesen


User currently offlineSpectre From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

There is nothing like combat to give a pilot the edge he/she requires. It doesn't matter how well you train, until you use that training for real, it is all theoretical.
Don't forget, UK, US & other European airforces have now got some combat experience.

Regards
Dave


User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

I would just like to say that the IAF has people at the "Top Gun" in the US.

User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

from experience i must say the IAF is one of the best in the world , they have to be. they have some of the best equipment and have an outstanding training program, and get alot of actual combat time.


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3946 times:

Hi all,

Which kind of equipment do they use?

I knew, they used F-15/16 but what about others airplanes?

Cheers,

Benjamin


User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3948 times:

The IAF is probably the second best air force in the world. They have some of the best trained pilots in the world and some of the best equipment in the world. They have proven themselves in real combat many times, and probably will again.


User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

For Fighters the IAF uses a F-15A/B/C/D/Es, upgraded F-42000s (I am not sure if they still have non upgraded F-4Es), and a huge amount of F-16s. I think they might still have Kafirs (similar to Mirage) and A-4s in reserve.

User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

HN, no offense but Finland doesn't come close it Israel. You guys have a pretty small force with a few F/A-18s. Finland is more on the scale of Canada, Australia, and Belgium.

As for Russia and China, China has a huge military. They have many fighters but most of them are old Mig-21 and Mig-19 type planes, they only have a small amount of new fighters. Their training isn't all that good either (look at Wang Wei Big grin).

Russia has some new prototypes but no money to buy anything. The planes they already have are falling apart because of money, same goes for their support facilities, bases etc. They havent recieved a new fighter in 7 years. Their pilots are underpaid and undertrained, most russian pilots get like 15-20 hours of flight a year (vs 150-200 in most Nato airforces). The RuAF is derelict.


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

The IAF operates:
- F-15A/B/C/D's (50-70)
- F-15I's (25)
- F-16A/B Block 10/15 (125 originally purchased/received rom the US, some have crashed over the years)
- F-16C/D Block 30/40 (Block 30: 72 purchased, 48 F-16C's, 24 F-16D's, Block 40: 60 Purchased)
- F-4E/RF-4E (Approximately 150 originally purchased/received from the US, approximately 50 remain in service today, all upgraded to the F-4-2000 version by the IAI)
- (T)A-4H/N/E/F(J) (Approximately 200 originally purchased, at least 50 remain in service today, to be replaced soon)

Other a/c:
- Boeing 707-100/300 (10-15, tankers, cargo, electronic surveillance)
- C-130E/H (20-25, cargo, tankers)
- UH-60A/L (25)
- AH-64A/D (45)
- CH-53 (approximately 50-60)
- AH-1 (approximately 50)
- Bell 212 (approximately 50)
- AS365 (approximately 25)
- Bell 206 (approximately 25)

That covers most of the IAF's fleet.

The Kfir's were retired in the early 90's, probably 1993.

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Oops, I forgot that the F-15E is the F-15I in Israel  Smile. Thanks for the list LY744.

User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

You're very welcome, Whistler!

BTW, IAF F-15A/B/C/D's and UH-60A/L's are in the middle of modernization programs. All of the IAF's CH-53's should have been updated to the CH-53-2000 version by now.

I'm not sure what Whistler meant when saying that "the F-15E is the F-15I in Israel", so, just in case, I would like to point out that although the F-15I is based on the F-15E, it is quite an improved a/c. It has more powerful engines, and Israeli-made avionics, among other things.

Also, if anyone is wondering, the rest of the IAF's fleet consists of light a/c, maritime patrol a/c, and the armed version of the MD500 Defender (plus a whole bunch of UAV's).

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Didn't Israel also just buy a bunch of F-16Is too?

User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Yep. The IAF ordered 102 (50 originally, 52 options were officially excercised in early September) F-16I's. Those a/c are based on the F-16D Block 52 (F100-PW-229 engines, just like the ones on the F-15I), but they share some features with the Block 60, the most obvious one are the conformal fuel tanks. Those a/c will also be equipped with unique Israeli avionics. The first a/c will be delivered next year. Deliveries will continue until the middle of 2006. Those a/c will replace the A-4's that are used for operational purposes (the A-4's that are used in the IAF's flight school would be replaced by a different a/c, probably a jet trainer like the Mb 339 or the BAe Hawk. Currently, the IAF's A-4's are also used for post-graduation fighter pilot training programs, the IAF's F-16A/B's are in the process of taking over those duties), and make up for the 25 or so F-4E's that were recently retired. The IAF's F-4-2000's are not supposed to leave service just yet, so they are very unlikely to be replaced by F-16's from this deal. After all the upgrades they went through, they can still fly for over a decade. Those F-4's are still very useful as ground attack a/c (especially as launch platforms for guided ammunition, stand-off weapons, and anti-radar weapons), reconaissance a/c, and for electronic warfare.

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

For those of you who haven't had the privelage to meet him, this is LY774. He probably knows more about the IAF than anyone on a.net

User currently offlineFireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

You're right about Alex, Ben.He really know so much that's why he's my favourite respected member.
Go Go LY744
Rest of you stay cool  Smokin cool
Slobodan


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Thanks, guys! You didn't have to do that. Now I'm blushing... Embarrassment

 Big thumbs up

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
25 AFC_Ajax00 : I think the Isreali AF is one of the most professional and highly trained air forces in the world, look at their combat record, and air to air kills.
26 USAFHummer : I'd rate them second behind the USAF... Greg
27 G-KIRAN : I would not mess the the IAF! Six-Day War 1967:Fought against 4 air forces simultaneously.Destoryed over 400 enemy planes in one day plus complete air
28 LY744 : Actually, the IAF shot down 89 (44 by F-15A/B/C/D's, 44 by F-16A/B's, 1 by an F-4E) Syrian a/c during the 1982 war, but many more in the years prior a
29 Cyril B : Note that during the Six-Day war and Kippur war, the IAF showed the true potential of french fighters like MD450 "Ouragan" or Mirage III (which shot d
30 Post contains images TWAmerican : Does Israel still use Mirage Super Mysteres, why did I think they still do? Hows the Egyptian air force? Also, LY772, you introduced your "friend" as
31 LY772 : Yes, I tend to do that. Sorry LY744. Although I wouldn't mind seeing a Boeing 747-700.
32 Post contains images LY744 : Israel sold the last of its Mirage III and Neshers (Mirage 5, more or less) in the late 70's/very early 80's to Argentina. Now they are buying a few b
33 Twaneedsnohelp : Thanks! LY772, slow it down next time. thanks LY744.
34 LY772 : Hey!!! It was like 11 PM for me when I wrote that so give me a freakin' break! Throw me a freakin' bone. And thanx for spoiling my fun and not respect
35 Patches : From everything that I have read about the IAF They only rate behind the US and not by much. They have great equipment and they know how to use it. An
36 Twaneedsnohelp : Your talking about the Lebanon war!
37 Post contains links LY744 : http://www.airliners.net/discussions/military/read.main/4844/ LY744.
38 Fireblade : Hey Ben[si] you sound very contradictory once you said that ly744 is a great second .... IS your name added in somebody else respected users list is s
39 Fireblade : 21 post ok i'm buck
40 Aztec01 : One on one? Hands down the IAF is far and away the best.
41 Delta-flyer : In terms of sheer size and power, of course the US is #1. But the IAF is more potent, resourceful and effective when considering its size than any in
42 Airafrique : IAF have the best pilotes in the world. They are the best because of all the hostiles countries around them. Can someone confirm for me that they have
43 LY772 : Airafrique: I am pretty sure they don't, becasue Russia sells planes to Ara countries, and they would be pretty mad if they found out that they are al
44 Fireblade : To which arab country ? I mean for the last decade.
45 Post contains images LY744 : Airafrique: No, currently the IAF doesn't operate any Russian-made a/c. Over the years, they had some Russian a/c from the neighbouring Arab countries
46 Airafrique : Thank you LY744 for the precision.
47 Alessandro : The biggest mistake IAF made was the attack on Beirut airport 1968. Operational it was a success but they lost the Mirage supply after that.
48 LY744 : Actually, Israel lost French support as a result of the 1967 ("Six day") war. Turned out pretty well, though. LY744.
49 Post contains images LY772 : Didn't I start this topic last year? Oh, my bad.
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