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User currently offlineJepstein From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 76 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Many recent fighter aircraft(i.e. the JSF and the F-16) have been following a set of requirements the U.S. has given and then built competition style between a number of manufacturers. Many of these aircraft have been exported to other countries.

Does the manufacturer have the right to sell the a/c to other nation's air forces without the consent of the U.S. government?

For example: Israel recently ordered more F-16's, but did they go directly to Lockheed or the U.S. gov't first?

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Quoting Jepstein (Thread starter):
Does the manufacturer have the right to sell the a/c to other nation's air forces without the consent of the U.S. government?

NOOOOO!!!!!

In fact the other nation has to buy the aircraft from the US Government, which will then place the order.



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User currently offlineMigfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Lots of other non-U.S. aircraft that contained U.S. components are subject to govt. approval as well.

Example: India wanted to buy the Viggen back in the 70s. The U.S. put the kai-bosh on that one because the Viggen used the J-79 engine, and at that time India was very close to the Soviets.

/M


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Are you sure that it was a J79?.

User currently offlineMigfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Yes, it was a J79. That negatively impacted the export potential of the type.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting Migfan (Reply 4):
Yes, it was a J79. That negatively impacted the export potential of the type.

No, it wasn't. It was a military version of the Same JT8D that powered the 727 and 737. Sorry I can't remember the Volvo name for the motor.

The Sweds developed an afterburned for the engine, and it was the first afterburning engine to have a thrust reverser.



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User currently offlineMigFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Perhaps the Swedes decided to switch powerplants in light of this development. Looks like I will have to find the article and disprove you...

/M


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 5):

The Sweds developed an afterburned for the engine, and it was the first afterburning engine to have a thrust reverser.

I think you'll find that the Olympus 593 as fitted to Concorde came much before that.


User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Well, Volvo Aero has this to say on the Viggen's engine:

The RM8 is a Swedish military version of the Pratt & Whitney JT8D commercial engine developed into a supersonic turbofan with a three-zone afterburner.

The RM8 engine comes in two versions:

-RM8A for use in the strike and reconnaissance models of the aircraft

-RM8B which is specially developed for the fighter variant. The RM8B engine incorporates a redesigned fan and low-pressure compressor as well as an upgraded gas generator hot section

Volvo Aero and Pratt & Whitney jointly developed and qualified the engines manufactured by Volvo Aero.

The first flight with the RM8A took place in 1967 and with the RM8B in 1974.


Additional Viggen details are available on this "Jet engines used in Swedish military aircraft" page.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

I got this info on the Olympus from Janes, Full certification was achieved in April 1975

I'll grant you it is close. Because the RM8 would have been in development at the same tie.



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