Duce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4591 times:
The problem with the 141 wasn't it's engines, although those TF-33s were pieces of $hit compared to newer models. The prob was the life span left in the 141. They were originally designed for 15K hours IIRC. They ended up going to around 40-45K. The low levels trashed them, and the gulf war was the coffin cover.
They didn't re-engine them because there's no point to spending a billion or two for a new engine on an airplane you're about to retire
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29514 posts, RR: 59 Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4576 times:
Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 1): The prob was the life span left in the 141. They were originally designed for 15K hours IIRC. They ended up going to around 40-45K.
They also had the same cross section as the C-130, which limited some of the loads they could carry.
The aircraft was originally designed to replaced the Air Forces C-133 which was the air forces Minuteman missle carrier. The aircraft was designed to haul that payload, and it turned out that the aircraft had a lot of spare lifiting capacity when hauling more normal payloads....That is why in the early 1980s they went ahead and lengthened all off them to the B configuration.
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DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4531 times:
Remember, the 141's have been around since before 'Nam, and have been worked like dogs since...unlike the B-52, you unfortunately couldn't stretch the airframe for much longer...new coats of paint only go so far
Anyone know when the final flight of the Starlifter will be?
And yes, they were not re-engined due to the fact the plane had no airframe life left. The reason why they are re-engining the C-5 is because it has 80 to 90 % of airframe life left in it. Just like the 135s, they had enough airframe life to be cost effective enough to go ahead and modernize the planes.
The C-5 may be a FRED, but once you learn the ins and outs of it, the C-5 Galaxy is a awesome plane!
Ghostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4363 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 3): Remember, the 141's have been around since before 'Nam, and have been worked like dogs since...unlike the B-52, you unfortunately couldn't stretch the airframe for much longer...new coats of paint only go so far
LOL! Beautifully phrased
Will be a sad day when the last Starlifter goes to pasture. I just fell in love with the old C-141A model when I saw one at Mildenhall many many years ago, and I just love the sound of those old turbofans winding up and echoing for miles around.
Gunships From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 574 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4328 times:
I spent over twenty years in the USAF, most of that time as a C-141 crew chief. The earlier posts are exactly right concerning the airframe. Just not cost effective to put new motors on. Though it would be nice to still see them flying...
Don't know if any of you have had the chance to see it, but the last C-141 (177) brought home some of (if not the) first POW's from Vietnam. The aircraft is known as the "Hanoi Taxi". The sides of the cargo box have pictures of "Operation Homecoming" and there are signatures from some of the POW's on the panel that covers the troop LOX heat exchanger, just above the troop LOX quantity indicators. They have placed a plexiglass-type cover over the signatures to help preserve them.
There are also pictures of POW's being flown home from the Gulf war on it also.
If you ever get the chance to see this aircraft, don't miss it. I believe it will go on permanent display at the Air Force museum. The guys and girls from Wright-Patterson have done an amazing job with this aircraft.
Duce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4271 times:
Gunships, the 141 you're referring to came to KSUU for our airshow in october. Very humbling to see that plane up close, inside out. A whole lot of history about it, and the loads were cool as cucumbers with showing me around (technically off limits cause of power/cargo door stuff). All in all, an amazing part of history I finally got to catch. Only regret was I didn't bring my camera.