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MIG/Sukhoi Demos In US  
User currently offlineYeahitsK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

Does anyone know of any US airshows where modern Russian-built fighters fly demonstrations or are even on static display? I've never heard of it happening, and just wondered why. I realize there is the foreign technology issue, but my understanding is that the US possesses a "Red Hat" squadron of captured technology (rumored to be at Area 51). I would think Russian intelligence would be aware of this, or that US pilots are quite familiar with these aircraft and their capabilities from Red October exercises in Germany. You can even buy one from E-bay. It apparently works the other way, here's an F-15 flight demo in Russia:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=2717

Is this due to the patriotic theme of airshows in the US? Lack of funding to fly these aircraft across the pond? I would love to see and hear these planes firsthand.

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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4063 times:

There is usually a static display of a Mig 23 and Mig 29 at the Tyndall AFB airshow in Florida.


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User currently offlineMigfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

I would like to see that too. One usually gets the restored Mig-15/17, but that is about it. Last season a fellow had an airworthy Mig-17 running under Red Bull colors. The aircraft was a spirited performer, and very loud! L-39s are also starting to become prevalent on the U.S. circuit. I would pay for a ride in that, but the whole insurance thing gets in the way.

The most exotic I have seen at a U.S. airshow was an RAF GR1A. Pathetic, I know, but what a kickass aircraft. The pilots were great and very receptive. The U.S. also gets the occaisional Canadian participants where I am.

/M


User currently offlineYeahitsK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Quoting Migfan (Reply 2):

I've seen those as well. There used to be a great airshow put on my the National Warplane Museum in Elmira, NY which has since run into financial woes. In the late 90's they had flight displays of an RAF Nimrod and Tornado as well as Mig 17s, and L-39s in addition to the standard US fare. Great little airshow, I miss it a lot!!


User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

OK, for those triva inclined....

Can you name an airshow in the US where both the AN-225 and two SU-27s performed? On Sunday on the show, there was an unfortunate accident.

SLCPilot



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 4):



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 4):
OK, for those triva inclined....

Can you name an airshow in the US where both the AN-225 and two SU-27s performed? On Sunday on the show, there was an unfortunate accident.

SLCPilot

My bet is somewhere in CA...



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User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

A pair of Soviet MiG-29s toured the US in 1991:

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The Threat Training Facility at Nellis offers a pretty good selection of Soviet-designed hardware.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

I saw the MiG 29s with their IL-76 at the Kalamazoo air show back in 1991 or so. Awesome show, as they also flew a formation of F4F, F6F, F7F, F8F, F9F and F-14... Grumman cat show. Outstanding.


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User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 5):
My bet is somewhere in CA...

Nope.

It was actually one of the best airshows in the US for a couple of years. Any other guesses? It was in 1990.

SLCPilot



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Dayton, OH?

Oshkosh, WI?



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User currently offlineBraud65 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

Quoting YeahitsK (Reply 3):
I've seen those as well. There used to be a great airshow put on my the National Warplane Museum in Elmira, NY which has since run into financial woes. In the late 90's they had flight displays of an RAF Nimrod and Tornado as well as Mig 17s, and L-39s in addition to the standard US fare. Great little airshow, I miss it a lot!!

IIRC, there was a Mig 15 many years ago at Niagara Falls. We seem to be on the short end of the stick when it comes to shows here in WNY. Hope someday we might have another one.

Regards


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Quoting Braud65 (Reply 10):
IIRC, there was a Mig 15 many years ago at Niagara Falls. We seem to be on the short end of the stick when it comes to shows here in WNY. Hope someday we might have another one.

I've seen plenty of MiG-15/17's on the circuit over the years. They are fairly common. It's the other MiG's that are so elusive stateside.



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User currently offlineBraud65 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 11):
I've seen plenty of MiG-15/17's on the circuit over the years. They are fairly common. It's the other MiG's that are so elusive stateside.

Agreed... Not sure why we can't see many of them.
 scratchchin 

Regards


User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Not Dayton, not Oshkosh (still probably the best show in the US, but I've only been three times).

I'm honestly surprised it's stumped the crowd here.

Two more guesses and I'll spill the beans.

SLCPilot



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User currently offlineF86sabre From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 13):
Two more guesses and I'll spill the beans.

I saw them at Paine Field around about then. Is that the show you are talking about? I seem to remember them being MIG-29s though. I remember they did the cobra maneuver and everyone thought it was pretty cool. I also remember walking though the AN-225 and being impressed with the titanium floor and sticking my head in the wheel wells. The crew of the AN-225 were very friendly and seemed to made up of mostly older guys. I don’t think any of them spoke English, but you could tell they were thrilled to be there and took great pride in their aircraft.


User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

I think they stopped by Paine Field on the way to the Aerospace America Airshow in June of 1990. It was the first time the AN-225 or SU-27s (not MiG-29s, I'm certain) had been to the US.

The airshow was largely the product of the efforts of Tom Jones. He had purchased his SU-26 directly from the Russians (Soviets?) and had cultivated a personal relationship with them. During the show a large variety of military and civil aircraft performed.

Sunday was marred by the death of Tom Jones in his SU-26. He had been entertaining the Russians at night with parties, running the airshow, and performing in it. The temperature was close to 100 F and following a torque roll his aircraft did a several turn spin with no recovery efforts noted. The NTSB concluded it was probably due to loss of consiousness. The Russians flew a tribute flight with the AN-225, Su-27s, and Su-26s that they had brought.

It was a sad end to what had become one of the nations great airshows. It continued for a few years but has never matched the shows of the late 80's and 1990. I can remember seeing an SR-71, U-2, F-117, VC-10, Bob Hoover, Sean Tucker, Leo Loudenslager, BD-10, Boeing Skyfox and many other great performers and unique aircraft at those shows.

SLCPilot



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 15):
The Russians flew a tribute flight with the AN-225, Su-27s, and Su-26s that they had brought.

Is there a video of this anywhere? I'm a sucker for dissimiliar aircraft formations and would love to see this one.



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User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

I may have video or pictures, but will have to look later. I'm off to IOM tomorrow for a couple of days...

SLCPilot



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User currently offlineF86sabre From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Well, good to know I was close. Seeing the AN-225 and meeting the Russians was a pretty cool experience. Especially during that time at the end of the cold war.

Best wishes,
F86sabre


User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Currently the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force has the following airplanes on display; MiG-15, MiG-17, MiG-19, MiG-21, and MiG-23. In the restoration shops are; MiG-21 (will replace the currently displayed MiG-21), MiG-23 (will replace the currently displayed MiG-23), MiG-29, and Su-22.
You can tour the restoration shops on the 2nd Friday of each month from September to May and every Friday from June to August. Due to the great interest in the "Memphis Belle" the tours are already booked up into June.

Go to http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum for information on the tours and how to reserve a spot on a future tour.


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