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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10521 times:

since the current Air Force One is a 747-100, do you think that it will be updated anytime soon? could a 747-8 or A380 be in the hunt? i want your feedback on this. i think it is time to upgrade and i'm thinking the 747-8 is the right choice. i think the US should support an American company instead of going with Airbus (not that i dont love Airbus)

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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10523 times:

Current AF1 747's are the last 743's built before they went over to 744 production - and as little relatively speaking as they fly they are in no need off replacing any time soon,

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10523 times:

They're 742s, not 100s, with relatively low hours. They'll be there for years to come.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10524 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 1):
Current AF1 747's are the last 743's

They are 742's not 743's. Check them out on Anet.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

This question comes up every few months with the same basic answer... not for many years to come. If you try a search you may find one of several great threds on this topic....


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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10461 times:

If ain't broken, don't fix it....  Wink


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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10456 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 1):
Current AF1 747's are the last 743's

They are 742's not 743's. Check them out on Anet.

I stand corrected yet still the 747's configured as AF1 are more so of a hybrid anyways the 747-200B was really just where the airframe began.

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/af1/af1spec.html


User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10452 times:

The VC-25's are some of the lowest houred 742's in the world, and by FAR the best maintained. They'll be around for the next 15-20 years easy.

User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10321 times:

Another reason is acquisition costs. The VC-25's are very expensive. I may be wrong, but I thought I heard somewhere that it cost more to configure the aircraft into "Air Fore One" than it did to buy the 742 in the first place.

I'm kinda with you on the asthetics stand point though, as much as I love the current VC-25, I's still love to see this...
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One thing that I think you will see on the next "Air Force One" is that it will be much more than just a Presidential transport aircraft. The VC-25 already has major upgrades that take some of the load away from the E4-B's. The next aircraft will most likely be the 747-8. I think you will see the unusable overhead space on the current VC-25 will be used on the 747-8 to house electronic components from the E4-B to the point that the E4's could be obsolete. The "war room" would be in the extended hump and all the components would be in the "attic".


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4466 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10269 times:

I agree, the current 747-200s are more of a "shell" around a very sophisticated airframe. They do not have many hours and are superbly maintained. They will continue on for at least 2 more decades.

[Edited 2006-02-20 18:30:05]


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10183 times:

Calling the VC-25A a 747-200 is like calling a Ford Police Interceptor a Crown Victoria.

The Police Interceptor shares the sheet metal with the Crown Victoria, but underneath is a very different vehicle.

Mark


User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10136 times:

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 8):
I think you will see the unusable overhead space on the current VC-25 will be used on the 747-8 to house electronic components from the E4-B to the point that the E4's could be obsolete.

The VC-25As are closer to the E-4s than you might think. I'll admit my sources may be a bit bias (the VC-25 crew) but it sounds like both are fully functioning command posts these days and the difference in C+C abilities in small to none. The E-4 looks like it may serve as an alternate command post for general officers or leaders other than the president.



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9939 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Thread starter):
since the current Air Force One is a 747-100, do you think that it will be updated anytime soon?

These are not stock 741's from Boeing, they have been prepped bigtime. They will have clocked less hours than most airliners that flew the model, hence it's lifetime may not be reached for a while. If it was necessary to replace, it will be a Boeing or whatever other American company can put out when the time comes.

In a way I think a modified, lighter version of 772LR would be perfect as it will not need refueling and flight nonstop to anywhere in the world, President will not worry about the equivalent CASM.

If Boeing teamed up with Lockheed and Northrop, maybe the next AF1 will be a modified sonic troop carrier for quick hops.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
Calling the VC-25A a 747-200 is like calling a Ford Police Interceptor a Crown Victoria.

IIRC they stripped off the -200 engines and hung the -400 engines off of them for extra power. They also have the glass cockpit instead of the analog gauges in the -200.



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9902 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 13):
IIRC they stripped off the -200 engines and hung the -400 engines off of them for extra power. They also have the glass cockpit instead of the analog gauges in the -200.

i didnt know that but it doesnt surprise me, cool


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9902 times:

how easy would it be to add winglets to AF1????? out of the question or possibility???

User currently offlineGulfStreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9882 times:

Ummm i highly doubt there would ever be a such thing as a "Airforce 1 A380" no offence to the plane, but could you honestly see the President of the United States flying in a foreign built aircraft , LOLz , i think the new Airforce 1 will be a 747-8 ,when ever that happens


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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9866 times:

"They also have the glass cockpit instead of the analog gauges in the -200"

SAM28000 & SAM29000 have EFIS, but not PFD/ND & EICAS instrumentation. Also, a fourth crew member--a navigator.



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User currently offlineCiv4b2fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

A-380 what are you thinking  banghead   biting 

User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9776 times:

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 11):
The VC-25As are closer to the E-4s than you might think. I'll admit my sources may be a bit bias (the VC-25 crew) but it sounds like both are fully functioning command posts these days and the difference in C+C abilities in small to none. The E-4 looks like it may serve as an alternate command post for general officers or leaders other than the president.

I read somewhere that as a result of deficincies discovered on 9/11 AF1's communications package was dramatically updated. From what I understand on 9/11 they couldn't get live CNN feed and other information that was readily available to everyone else in the country.


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9616 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 15):
how easy would it be to add winglets to AF1????? out of the question or possibility???

I wouldn't doubt that this is being considered. Winglets do offer improvements in takeoff performance, and the fuel savings is proven upgrade.

Then again, I don't think the current POTUS is worried about fuel savings.

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