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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7567 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

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I read this story with growing sadness.

Hopefully his previous service will not be forgotten.

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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

This guy wiped out all his past with this corruption....He is worse than a bank robber....at least a bank robber does not have the people trust like he did.

Sooner he is forgotten the better..

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 1708 times:
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Duke Cunningham was a brave and able fighter pilot, and one of our last aces.

He's shamed his branch of service and himself with his acts.

THis thread belongs in NonAv, which is now where Cunningham belongs.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7567 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

Perhaps I am just a big softy.

I tend to look at his entire history, and feel that he has let himself down.

It is amazing how someone who seems to have everything just goes off the rails.

Perhaps Non Av is the best place.


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

There are damned few posts that grab me by the heart, but this is one of them. I am shocked to learn that the "Duke" would commit such atrocities after serving his country with such honor.

Shame on you Mr. Cunningham, your name has been tarnished beyond repair.  ashamed 


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

When I first learned of this I was shocked and then saddened. How could a man with everything going for him tarnish it all. What a disgrace. To think I used to look up this guy.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Quoting CX747 (Reply 5):
When I first learned of this I was shocked and then saddened. How could a man with everything going for him tarnish it all. What a disgrace. To think I used to look up this guy.

I too was shocked. I've idolized Duke since the 70s. I also wondered how someone who seemingly had everything going for him could fall so far from grace. I did a little looking and found this website that sheds some light on his past history and gives some insight as to why this should not have been a surprise.

DL757Md



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

I found that website nonsense. Just ramblings and unproven non sense. Either way, Duke is definitely not what I thought he was.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

From Hero to Convict . . . . what a crying shame.

He got what he deserved.

What to do now about the other 500 +/- criminals on Capital Hill.

This is a Non-Av thread . . . . don't disgrace this Forum with this trash.


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Quoting CX747 (Reply 7):
I found that website nonsense. Just ramblings and unproven non sense.

It may ramble, but it does provide links that back up many of the accusations it makes. It at least brings to light many of his past behaviors that make his involvement in this bribery scandal far from surprising. Consider that he broke into his CO's office, was a leader of the Tailhook mess, even his most famous accomplishment, becoming the only U.S. Vietnam ace, involved bending the rules quite a lot. There is a pattern in his behavior that smacks of selfish disregard for the rules exacerbated by the fact that his "stature" as a Top Gun ace led those around him to let it continue. Because his behavior finally became apparent to the public it once and for all bit him in the ass.

DL757Md



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

Profound disapointmant, and a bit of anger, is how I would describe my feelings on the subject. Like the judge said he was not starving or cold. It was a simple case of greed. I was still stationed at Miramar when he was first elected. Naturally a lot of people in San Diego were excited to see a former Navy pilot get elected. Guess that's why so amny people feel betrayed.



Quoting Dl757md (Reply 9):
It may ramble, but it does provide links that back up many of the accusations it makes. It at least brings to light many of his past behaviors that make his involvement in this bribery scandal far from surprising. Consider that he broke into his CO's office, was a leader of the Tailhook mess, even his most famous accomplishment, becoming the only U.S. Vietnam ace, involved bending the rules quite a lot. There is a pattern in his behavior that smacks of selfish disregard for the rules exacerbated by the fact that his "stature" as a Top Gun ace led those around him to let it continue. Because his behavior finally became apparent to the public it once and for all bit him in the ass.

The part of that website about his military service for a lack of a better term was a hatchet job. A lot of which does ramble with no supporting evidence or is irrelevant. On the site they try and portray him as some sort of out of control risk taker as a pilot. How do you think pilots become aces? By taking risks. If they did'nt take risks they probably would not have become aces. I also wonder why they say that the Miramar O club was place of "exteme cocaine abuse". Do they have any supporting evidence of this. If they do they don't show it.


User currently offlineMissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 2):
belongs in NonAv, which is now where Cunningham belongs.

 laughing 

Sorry, but if it gets put there no one will read it!

I saw the same website Dl757md mentioned back when he was convicted (a few months ago-Cunningham I mean, not Dl757md!). I was interested in reading that there was no such person as Col. Tomb/Toon, though he obviously shot someone down.
Stephen Coonts also wanted to cover Cunningham's exploits in one of his books, but the asking price was too steep (a sign of things to come?). In the end he wrote about Steve Ritchie instead.
Finally, there were two men in each of those airplanes- hero biscuits for anyone who can name the respective backseaters!



Can you hear me now?
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

He was a power hungry fool that verbaly abused anyone that ever opposed him. Nothing more, nothing less. Even Navy pilots who flew with him have said as much from their experiences with him. He got what he deserved.

End of story.

[Edited 2006-03-06 14:28:22]

User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Quoting MissedApproach (Reply 11):
Finally, there were two men in each of those airplanes- hero biscuits for anyone who can name the respective backseaters!

OK, I will try from memory without looking in any books:

Willie Driscoll...

and

Chuck Bellevue (sp?)

Now how much do 'hero biscuits' go for on e-Bay?  Wink

Keeping on-topic I agree with many here who say that this saga is a real tragedy. Problem is, what are the qualities that you need to be an 'Ace', the fighter pilot who is just better than all the rest? An unshakeable self-belief and total self-confidence? A willingness to push the edges as far as they will go? A total focus on the job to be done to the exclusion of all else? An extreme character? A complete loner? Maybe...

I don't pretend to know the answer but I do question how these qualities (and they definitely are qualities if you are surrounded by hostile MiGs!) transfer to being a politician for the people in a democracy because the roles require completely different skills, knowledge and attitudes. From what I have read this outcome is therefore probably not a surprise.

 ghost 



"I chase my dreams but I never seem to arrive"
User currently offlineMissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 13):

You got it, Pontiac!
I knew Driscoll right off the top of my head, but I had to look up Debellevue (or DeBellvue, I've seen it spelled both ways), even though I should've known it. He went on to help another USAF pilot score two MiG kills, giving him a total of six as WSO.
I imagine the days of real aces are over now, at least in the US services. They tend to operate with such overwhelming air superiority that pilots hope for a MiG kill, never mind five.
I would also say the major factors that aces have historically shared are situational awareness, followed by piloting skill & agressiveness.



Can you hear me now?
User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

One other WSO ace not to be forgotten is Jeff Feinstein.
Gary
Cottage Grove, MN, USA



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