Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6355 posts, RR: 5 Posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4986 times:
I am just watching a TV documentary on the French/German TV channel Arte about Israel and the wars Israel had fought.
There was an interview with a high Air Force commander and on the desk of the Commander was the model of a F-18 Super Hornet in Israeli colors.
Is Israel interested in the F-18 ? I know they have just received new F-16, was the F-18 also evaluated and they choose new F16s over the Super Hornet.
What are the chances that we see a future order of F-18 sometimes. Looking at it the F-18E seems to be an ideal aircraft for Israel with a good range and able to carry a great load.
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AGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 21 Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4973 times:
Columba , Personaly I do not see this happening. I would assume the F-15I /F-16I can handle the situation for next 10-15 yrs. Although the Super Hornet may intregrate as a dual role option.
Brings up another question. I watched a program the other night that was discussing Israel's options for striking Iran. The discussion highlighted the F-16 as the primary strike option. Curious why the F-15 was not discussed , I believe the aircraft has much longer range and larger payload? As in 1982 the Israelis used primarily the F-16.
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STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 14931 posts, RR: 55 Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4956 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 2): I believe the next step for the IAF is either the F-22 or F-35,
The only potential export of the F-22 being considered is to Japan, it would place additional F-22s where it's needed the most to counter the Chineses military build up.
There's no need for an F-22 in the Middle East because there's nothing to rival what Israel already has except maybe the Saudi's F-15s, to keep a balance in the Middle East the US is not going to sell Israel F-22s.
Also there's great concern about Israel's past technology transfers to China, even though the US is a staunch allie of Israel the Israelis in the past and presently have tried to sell the Chinese technologies the US did not want them to share.
The only possible F-22 sale abroad would be to Japan, the US already sold them AEGIS Destroyers.
F-35 sales to Israel are likely, F-22 sales are not happening.
Poitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4914 times:
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 1): Brings up another question. I watched a program the other night that was discussing Israel's options for striking Iran. The discussion highlighted the F-16 as the primary strike option. Curious why the F-15 was not discussed , I believe the aircraft has much longer range and larger payload? As in 1982 the Israelis used primarily the F-16.
The F15I is a very long range aircraft. It can carry a large load to Iran unrefueled. (5745 Km)
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2500 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4901 times:
The latest order of F-16I's were sent to Israel and paid for in full by the US taxpayer so I'm nearly positive that they wouldn't be oppossed to the US taxpayer buying them some F-22's as well.
Quote: PHILLIPS: Matthew can we talk a bit about the Israel's military capability? First of all these airstrikes, are these F-16, F-18 -- what type of strike fighters are these? CHANCE: You know they're F-18's as far as I can make out. They're certainly not F-16's, as we've been hearing from some reports. But they're F-18's -- they're flying low below the clouds. Remember it's a very cloudy day today. The clouds are very low. Visibility is not good.
The other advantage that the Israeli warplanes have, of course, is that they can fly low unlike the scenes we were witnessing in Afghanistan over the last several months. The planes here -- the F-18 Israeli warplanes can fly below the clouds because remember the Palestinian authority has virtually no anti aircraft capability. Back to you.
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11345 posts, RR: 89 Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4864 times:
Aaahhh...there's nothing like accuracy in reporting...is there?
Nah, they probably won't. They have already procured a strike optimised F-16 and they've also bought plenty of F-15Is. They will be saving now for F-35s and 22's (which they'd like, but probably can't afford).
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 14931 posts, RR: 55 Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4714 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 7): They will be saving now for F-35s and 22's (which they'd like, but probably can't afford).
The only Country the US is actually considering sharing the F-22's technology with is Japan, and that's not a certainty.
Israel will not aquire the F-22, because they can't afford it and the US does not want to export the technology to Israel and have them share it with Chinese Government controlled Companies like they tried to do during the Clinton years with the AWACS.
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2500 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4711 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 9): Israel will not aquire the F-22, because they can't afford it and the US does not want to export the technology to Israel and have them share it with Chinese Government controlled Companies like they tried to do during the Clinton years with the AWACS.
It's freaking amazing how that new Chinese fighter jet looks like a EuroFighter from the front and an F-16 from the rear, eh? (Although I thought they got the F-16 from Pakistan in this case.)
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 28886 posts, RR: 67 Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4626 times:
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 10): It's freaking amazing how that new Chinese fighter jet looks like a EuroFighter from the front and an F-16 from the rear, eh? (Although I thought they got the F-16 from Pakistan in this case.)
And like the IAI Lavi from all sides.
Word on the street is that was some of those technology transfers that the US didn't approve of.
A lot of the Lavi came from the F-16.
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Kevinl1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 53 Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4625 times:
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 10): It's freaking amazing how that new Chinese fighter jet looks like a EuroFighter from the front and an F-16 from the rear
Typical Chinese knock off merchandise. Just be sure to install fresh AA batteries before flight.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 28886 posts, RR: 67 Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4618 times:
Here is the Lavi, don't know where to come up with a photo of the Chines copy.
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6355 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4496 times:
Quoting ATR42 (Reply 14): Oh, please.. Israel has NO F-18s and has no need for any.
The F-16s and F-15s do fine for now.
I know that they don�t have any, but I wanted to know if they are evaluating it.
I was wondering about the model aircraft with full Israeli markings on the desk of a high Israeli Air Force commander and with all the bad press regarding the JSF you could think that Israel is looking for another option that is being available right now, since I doubt that they woudl order the Rafale or the Eurofighter by any means, the Super Hornet would be a great option for them so I wanted to know if this is being discussed or not.
Seems like it is not being a real option at alll.
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ATR42 From Israel, joined Jul 2000, 37 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4364 times:
I can tell you that none of the aircraft you mentioned are under consideration, almost as a fact. Truth be told, we have enough F-16i and F-15i to take us well into the 2010's.
JSF is still being considered.
As for any European fighter, I'm pretty sure that even if the IAF wanted to acquire some, it would have an extremely difficult time, seeing the USA own us.
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4281 times:
The F-18F was competing against the F-15E (later reworked into the -I) in the early 90's. The F-15 won an order for 21 aircraft (somewhere around 1993-94, deliveries in 1998-99), later changed to 25 aircraft. The Strike Eagle/"Ra'am" has a combat radius of about 1500km, depending, of course, on such factors as altitude, speed, and payload of the mission.
In conclusion, the Super Hornet has not been seriously considered by the Israelis for over a decade now and is almost certainly never will be again.
Checksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4182 times:
Quoting LY744 (Reply 17): The F-18F was competing against the F-15E (later reworked into the -I) in the early 90's. The F-15 won an order for 21 aircraft (somewhere around 1993-94, deliveries in 1998-99), later changed to 25 aircraft. The Strike Eagle/"Ra'am" has a combat radius of about 1500km, depending, of course, on such factors as altitude, speed, and payload of the mission.
That is hard to believe as the Superhornet didn't even have its first flight until 1995.
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