Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1241 times:
Well even that happened i posted 300posts and started 31 topics[actually 32 but one of them was Dmitrys'].
Real reason to celebrate i'm a old & honoured member and [almost] everybody have to add me respected members.
BS i don't need that kind of respect .
Real respect for me is a good topics with a lot of replies .
Members who agree or disagree with me but with facts posting their opinion links videos and pictures.
That's a real respect for me .
So thank you everybody who share your knowledge about military aviation with me and other members because this forum is all about that.
Special thanks to:
LY744,Jwenting,MrSpaceman,GDB,Santos,Flyhigh@tom,GDARM,spectre,alexander,superhornet,whiostler and all other members who share their thoughts with me.
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
Actually i was impressed of your reply to my f-26 stalma topic.You posted all those things after a few seconds also i like your Carrier landing question explanation.But Dmitry watch your language .
I'm a macedonian .I speak macedonian language which is slav language as a russian and has some similiarity with russian language.
MiG-29-Sniper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1193 times:
look, he just pissed me off, ok. i appologised. but, man, all you have to deal with america will crowl to money in anyway you look at it. and his blindness on that just kills me. he'll understand, but i hate it when somebody calles "my" mashine a flying crap. (im not quoting him) dont worry, i have a feeling that we'll get alone - he didnt went on going with that bs and i like him for that.
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1188 times:
Well i don't have nothing to do in non-aviation forum .
Speaking fearly i never visited it .So military forum is my forum.
I posted few things in tech-spec & general aviation but actually i don't care much about them.
So Johan if you want to delete it be wellcomed .
That's not going to be a first time.
MiG-29-Sniper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1179 times:
hey Fire-> go to http://brazd.ru go to aircrafts, go to russia -> OKB Suhogo -> Su-30MKI. there are movies that will prouve my statements about Su-30mk being the most maneuvrable fighter in the world now days. it is more maneuvrable than Su-37 because, once again, they do not share the same engine structure. Su-30's is more advanced!!! not only it moves in vertical line, but it also caves in and out to the left and right. download the 3.something MB old movies, new kinda suck. and you will see how freaky it looks!!!
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1174 times:
I already locked those videous and i what you talking about .But once again you are speaking about unfair comparation.You compare su-37 with old saturn/lyulka al-37 engines with only +15/-15 degrees imitating 3dimensional ,this engines were manufactured 1995 and first time seen in 1996.While su-30 mki use new i reapeat NEW saturn/lyulka al-41 with completely 3Dimensional +30/-30 degrees move .
Sukhoi su-37 terminator is designed in 1995/96 while su-30 take his roots in 1990.improved in 1997.
So su-37 with old engines could make those manouvres:pugachev,frolov,somersault,bell etc while su-30 need newer 3d +3-/-30 degs.
Also su-37 vs su-30mk[i] with same engines
su-37 has bigger cruise speed 1400 su-30mk 1380km/h
max speed su-37 2400 while su-30mk 2125
advantage in range
normal su-37 3200 su-30mk 3000
max su-37 6500 su-30mk 5200
ceilling su-37 18000m su-30mk[i] 17500
max turn su-37 10g su-30mk[i] 9g
rate of climb su-37 240m/s su-30mk[i] 230m/s
So comparing platmorms with SAME i repeat SAME engines su-37 is while better .
MiG-29-Sniper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1173 times:
we are talking about Su-30mk, not Su-30 = Su-27UB. and that exactly my point - three - four years ago Su-37 was most maneuvrable, no doubt. now day - like today! - Su-30mk is the most manevrable. and the primer reason for that is its newest engins! and then you brake into speed comparacement and stuff - com'on, naturaly Su-30mk will be a bit slower due to front wind fricture and a bit heavier for its 2X sitted. but they dont differ that much. oh what Su-30mk flyes 20km/h slower? - gee, that's nothing -> shit it performs in air! - that's something!!!
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
It lucks like that you don't understand my point.Su-30mk is better because sukhoi hasn't put new al-41 3d +30/-30 degrees engines.That's the only reason.
My comparasion was about same engines.What about comparing 2000cm2 car engine[manufactured 1996] with a 3000cm2car engine [manufatured 2000] ceteris paribus?
Having bigger speed is advantage [don't be another LY744] and what about max speed at altitude,is a 300km/h nothing.
And what about angle speed 10g vs 9g,range 6500 vs 5200 or 3200 vs 3000 , ceilling 18000 vs 17500 ,
takeoff distance su-37 490m su-30mk 540 ,landeoff distasnce su37 610 vs su30mk[i] 670 etc is all that nothing for you ?
MiG-29-Sniper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1170 times:
Wowowowow!!! hold it there! 490m?????? the record on su-27 was a 100m!!! the take off of a twin sitted Su-33UB is only a 100m as well, and it's even heavier than su-30mk!!! thomething isnt right here man. those guys do it with out the OVT, since they just dont have them. su-37 and 30mk i believe can lift off even from a shorter run for they do have the OVT!!!
but honestly: you like su-37? - go for it man, it's a great plain. i like su-30mk - dont forget that a lot of information is better shared b-n 2 people in order to be more successful in an operation!!! and i share that idea, as well as i share the idea that it doesnt stand one bit below Su-37's air performance.
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1166 times:
Ok i'll recheck my takeoff /landoff data.Just forgeth about them .
Concetrate yourself to explain to me about other mentioned stuff as : max turn,range,ceilling, speed?
Answer about them one by one ?
Another thing before the thisdays i think[mpo]that having a 2 crewer was advantage but nowdays thats only buggers costs and losts with no much benefits.Check my topic about it http://www.airliners.net/discussions/military/read.main/3724/
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1152 times:
Where is the advantage of su-30mk vs su-37 compared with same engines?
Su-37 is more advanced than su-30mk[once again compared with same engines]
Because of a :
<1> Greater speed 400km/h full burner,20km/h cruise,
<2>greater angle speed 10g vs 9g,
<3>greater range 1300km/200km,
<4>higher ceilling 500m
<5>takeoff/landoff distance 490/610 vs 550/670
Sorry pal but facts are facts
And for english terms try this cite i think it'll help you http://www.propro.ru/flankers