AislepathLight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 562 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3150 times:
How much work did the Advanced Developement Program team do to help advance the aircraft/military aircraft world? I know that they helped to referbush the U-2Rs, they designed the P-80, SR-71s, F-117, and are working on the JSF. They also designed the A-12 that never was built. Does anyone know much about them or their contributions?
"We have slain a large dragon, but we now live in a jungle filled with a bewildering variety of poisonous snakes."
I think you are a little confused. The A-12 ATA was designed by McDonnell Douglas and General Dynamics. It was cancelled before the prototype was completed. Lockheed's predecessor to the SR-71 was also called the A-12 and 18 were built and flown.
Since 1970, the Skunk Works has built and flown the Have Blue prototypes, the F-117, the YF-22 prototypes, the X-35 prototypes, the Darkstar UAV, JASSM and recently, an airship. They have also reengined the U-2Rs, making them U-2Ss.
Broke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2945 times:
The original Skunk Works under Kelly Johnson and then Ben Rich was a very unique engineering organization that operated with tremendous amount of independence that allowed a high level of innovation. The current Skunk Works does not have that freedom of operation. The personalities that ran the place allowed for that independence and that mode of management is rare under any circumstances.
Micromanagement is management by fear and the need for control even when you don't understand what is going on. That model is the most common management style and has been for a long time.
FTOHIST From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2932 times:
I absolutely agree with Broke. It's difficult to find top management that is sympathetic to a skunk works operation. Kelly Johnson was lucky that the upper levels of Lockheed let him run the operation the way he wanted it--very little to no oversight from either corporate or the Air Force/customer. He didn't make many friends that way either, and by the time he left the skunk works, Ben Rich was subject to more rules and oversight.
It's unfortunate that an operation such as Kelly Johnson set up cannot operate in today's corporate culture. But then again, Johnson was free from having to comply with safety and environmental regulations, among other things, and he got away with stuff that would NEVER happen today.
Wickster From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2708 times:
From reading a book called "The Skunkworks" I found out that Kelly Johnson got away with more than anyone else ever could have because he went Toe to Toe with anyone who disagreed with him and his way of doing things. It just so happens he was Brilliant and driven and if he were in charge today he would make the skunkworks go like it did before. To get anything done of that type of engineering and secrecy, when he was in charge or now, takes a special leader. He Was One: