SLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 526 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
I don't know if this was mentioned in the other thread, but it seems like there is soot (or at least a stream of something) coming from the leading edge by the missing engine. Is there any official (non-official) word on the difficulties the plane was having prior to the crash?
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04/03/2006 short quote from an article (sorry lost link to this one)
“I can confirm that they [DAFB] are reporting engine failure,” the pentagon spokeswoman said. “The initial suspicion in cases like that is birds. It’s something investigators always look at. It’s a known cause of engine failure.”
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 20): Anyone find it strange that the tail is not attached to the airplane and nowhere to be seen in any of the pictures?
No. I'm sure they hit hard and it broke off the tail and it's back on the runway. Notice the damage to the slates around the #1 engine.. I'm guessing they hit a light tower or something which knocked off the engine. Also notice the fire damage on-top the wing.
[Edited 2006-04-03 21:46:23]
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Checksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 996 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 22): No. I'm sure they hit hard and it broke off the tail and it's back on the runway. Notice the damage to the slates around the #1 engine.. I'm guessing they hit a light tower or something which knocked off the engine. Also notice the fire damage on-top the wing.
The tail section is behind the AC in the field. The aircraft was on final for the runway, not on take-off. The only engine that is off the aircraft is because of its own impact with dirt.
Checksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 996 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Normally it should easily fly on the other three which is why I think there were other circumstances. SOP would be to head out to a safe area, dump down to landing weight and then return. When I was going through Dover once we taxiied out to the runway, ran up the power and there was this god awful noise. The engines spooled down and we didn't leave that night. Crew chief told us that the #3 reverser broke and deployed full open. Said we could have crashed had it happened during or after take-off. I almost wonder if thats what happened here. Guess we'll see.
25 EMBQA: Was he on final, or did he go off the end of the runway while trying to land again..?
26 Bushpilot: Great work by the flight crew. Sounds like a bird strike in the engine caused a flameout and they were coming back around to land. I am impressed the
27 Checksixx: On final. If you view video of the aircraft or photo's you can clearly see that it just didn't make the runway. I would guess that the impact is what
28 JBirdAV8r: Not to mention a bird strike could have not only killed #2, but damaged one or more others. From the pics I've seen it doesn't look like there's any
29 2H4: Isn't it likely we'll never know what happened, since military accident reports and investigations are classified? 2H4
30 Galaxy5: Well, i just got news of this, i am in japan right now on a mission but made a call and got some info, it was a reserve crew out of dover, they had en
31 EMBQA: There not classified. There just not released to the general public like the NTSB does. If you want a copy I'm sure you can get one through the Freed
32 2H4: Interesting. Thanks for mentioning that, EMB. 2H4
33 Galaxy5: Some more news, a few of the crew do have some bad injuries, like crushed pelvis and back/neck injuries, but not life threatening. Also preliminaries
34 Diamond: The 'logic' you are inquiring about are basic forum rules. Once a thread topic is started, it should not be duplicated by another thread. There were
35 AirRyan: We're not talking T-38 engines here, it usually would take an entire "flock of seagulls" or something of the like to turn one of those engines off.