MiG-29-Sniper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8463 times:
hey Fire, check the rockets caried by MiG-31 and tell those guys all about it (hint - MiG-31 carries the long range missales that have no annologies in the world). i'll correct you if something, but i just dont feel like going to another word-war on chat!
Dee
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8463 times:
The AIM-9L/M are deffinetely not as good as the AA-11 and the Python 4. The AIM-9L/M is a 3rd generation short range AA, the AA-11 and the Python 4 are 4th generation.
This is one of the main differences between the two generations:
This particular illustration is a comparison of the Python 4 and a typical 3rd generation short range AA missile, like the AIM-9L/M, or the Python 3. The AA-11's angle of engagement is somewhat smaller than that of the Python 4, but is still considerably better than the AIM-9's.
Cobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 989 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8377 times:
HEY LY744 and all others-
I am not preety sure, because true spec. about missiles (missales) are TOP SECRET (like most other weapons).
BUT I can tell you that (from all my military sources and connections) THAT R-73 (NATO codename "archer#) is the best Short Range Missile. It's privileges over other missiles are TVC, advanced propulsion, well maneuvring, advanced electronics and IR searcher and is compatibile with HMS.
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8384 times:
The AA-11 (R-73, Archer) is more advanced than the AIM-9 (up to the M version), the Python 4 is considered to be even more advanced (manouverable, better target acquiring range etc.). Although the Python 4 is not equipped with TVC, it uses a very advanced aerodynamic design, which makes it at least as manouverable as the Archer. In any case, when comparing the Python 4 and the most advanced version of the R-73, the R-73M2, you can see that the performances of those two missiles are very, very similar.
Here is an interesting diagram:
It compares the R-73 and the R-73M, you can see that the M version has a larger target acquiring (60 degrees off center) zone, and a longer range. The Python 4's "no-escape zone", BTW, is at least 60 degrees off center.
SJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8372 times:
Is it just me or does it seem like U.S. planes are equipped with jackschitt missiles? I don't know, but from what I've read it seems as though the U.S. is outmissiled..... as well as outgunned considering most Russian fighters are armed with 30mm cannons, as opposed to U.S. 20mm vulcans (except on the Warthog)
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8357 times:
i'm not a expert on this field but it luck like that way.
About missiles .
But us 20 mm cannons has 6000rounds per minute vs russian 30mm 3000 rndpm .Hope they nwont put tunguska cannon .
Its 30 mm and it shot 5000rpms [newer version even 6000rpms]
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8355 times:
SJC>SFO:
Until the AIM-9X enters service, the US indeed has an inferior short-range AA missile. They do, however, have an excellent medium range AA missile in the form of the AIM-120 AMRAAM ("Slammer"). The AMRAAM is probably the best in its class in the world today. And I agree with Fireblade on the cannon issue.
Sjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8362 times:
Fireblade-
I understand what you said in your second post, but I'm a little confused about your first. What is a "tunguska" cannon, and who's is it?
Just for a historical perspective, didn't the Mig-15 or Mig-17 carry something like a 37mm main cannon?.........(granted it wasn't armed with AA missiles.)
Warlord From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 8330 times:
yea pYthon n4 is great but i still think that new archer is better because of it's TVC 3d .Man that gives a lot of advantages but as long i don't have comparation table take this as a thought.
Also about the long range missiles russian all the best just remember the mig-31 long range missiles far better than phoenix .Also i made a research and i'm pretty sure that russians could put Triumfs Air to air versions on their flankers . I thought it is vey big but flancers could handle it man they could carry 8t externally as a warload[wepons-missiles] and two Triumf long missiles is makes 3t heavy >With their 400km range there's not going to be any AWACS survived.Also even the old PHAZOTRon Zhuck could detect a/c in a 150km distance [exept maybe the f-117 B-2 or f-22] so they could put 4 short triumf range 200km weight about 3.4t so in that perimeter f-15 f-16 f-18 rafale ef-200would have no chance against it. Technology is ready waithing for the Kreml to give some money.
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11 Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8330 times:
The Iranians put modified HAWKs on their F-14's, since they don't have any AIM-54 (in operational condition, anyway). I too thought that the SAM was too large for a fighter, but apparently it isn't.
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 8329 times:
Short triumf missile is less than 5m long that is less than r-40 missiles 6.3m but it is heavier And a long one is something about 6-7m so i flankers could handle 6 short one[200km range fired from ground] and let say 2-4 long one [400km fired from ground].So forgath about dogfighting,AWACS,b-52 ,tornados,
Only the stealthy one has a chance to survive that hell.
But su-37 with triumfs will be manouverable as boeing-767 .
Shit i don't like that kind of fight.
25 Fireblade: Hey guys what about Python 4 for the US fighters? I mean why should they bother to develop new sidewinder when they could forgath the pride for once a
26 LY744: The US went for the pride. They prefer to wait extra 10 (probably more) years until they can make one of their own. It is understandable, actually, as
27 Sjc>sfo: I'd be willing to bet the Secret Service used/uses Uzi's, which were invented by an Israeli Colonel.
28 LY744: The Secret Service does use Uzi's (watched a show about them couple of days ago on TV). LY744.
29 Fireblade: UZI is a old dated now the secret services use HECKlers they are much better.
30 Battleborgcube: Sorry to bother you but what a fuch does uzi &heckler & tunguska has with this thread?
31 Fireblade: OH really? And what about the guy who's posting SF pictures all over the threads? Suggestion visit non-aviation forum
32 L-188: Shoot, Stormin Norman's bodyguards in Saudi in 91 where packing old M3 Grease guns. The .45 ACP is a much better round then the 9MM anyway. Interestin
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