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User currently offlineAardvark From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 55 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6812 times:

Does anyone have any idea as to when the first C17 begins assembly at Long Beach? I was told that it takes 3 months to assemble and as they will receive the first C17 by the end of the year I thought it would be getting close if not already on its way doen the line.

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12185 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

The RAAF will get one of the C-17A USAF production sloted airplanes build in October 2006. Then they get 2 slots in 2007, and 1 in 2008. The one pushed back USAF 2006 airplane will now be delivered in 2008.

User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5749 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6698 times:
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And we are getting some sensible modifications to the Standard USAF version....


If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12185 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 2):
And we are getting some sensible modifications to the Standard USAF version....

What modifications? I thought the RAAF C-17s were the same standard as the current block of USAF C-17As. That is why they were able to get those USAF production numbers. Is that not true?


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5749 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6625 times:
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Hey KC135,

I was being facetious, in an era when any buyer of military hardware feels they know better and have to reinvent the wheel so to speak thus leading to a/ cost blowouts b/delays c/reduced capability(in most cases) The RAAF is making (I believe) the only sensible modification... Painting Royal Australian Air Force on the side of them...



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 4):
the only sensible modification... Painting Royal Australian Air Force on the side of them...

and not to mention strapping on real Kangaroos instead of painted roos in the roundels to give them that extra spring and increase lift capability!



"I told you I was ill ..." Spike Milligan
User currently offlineSvenskpilot From United States of America, joined May 2006, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6334 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but will they lease their C-17s like the RAF does?


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

Quoting Svenskpilot (Reply 6):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but will they lease their C-17s like the RAF does?

I think the RAAF learned by example: The RAF has concluded that they really should have just bought them outright in the first place. The RAAF will do exactly that.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 881 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
I thought the RAAF C-17s were the same standard as the current block of USAF C-17As. That is why they were able to get those USAF production numbers. Is that not true?

I am sure you will see integration of an AEW package down the line. There is a package currently being developed for the C-130 aircraft that I think will migrate to the C-17 but I see no need for anything else.

Wouldn't it have been nice to see a C-17 land in Dili yesterday. Can the runways of alot of our near neighbours handle this sized aircraft. Considering the deployments we have seen to the Solomons and to East Timor recently the ability to drop in twice as many troops in one hit will be greatly appreciated.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

Quote:
KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 11 (Bernama) -- The first Boeing C-17 Globemaster III for the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) has rolled out of the company's paint hangar in Long Beach, Calif., and has begun preparations for its first flight, scheduled for later this month.

"The C-17 will give Australia a new global airlift capability, significantly enhancing our ability to support national and international operations, and major disaster rescue and relief efforts," said Australia's Acting Chief of Air Force, Air Vice-Marshal John Blackburn.

"All of Australia is looking forward to delivery of this new capability and seeing it quickly commence operation. The C-17 will meet the vital airlift needs of the Australian Defence Force over the next 30 years."



http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=224212
(with picture)



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 881 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

Thanks for the update Columba, it is impressive how quickly the RAAF has acquired this aircraft.

A no nonsense purchase of a much needed capability, if only they were all this easy!


User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Yeah thanks for that too. Couldn't find anything in the Australian media strangely enough.

Quoting Ozair (Reply 10):
A no nonsense purchase of a much needed capability, if only they were all this easy!

Yes interesting when you purchase something that is still advanced and capable (compared to anything in that market) as the day it was rolled out yet from a very mature production line. If only one could apply this sort of procurement argument to the Raptor instead of the JSF?



"I told you I was ill ..." Spike Milligan
User currently offlinePapoose From Italy, joined Sep 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Quoting TSV (Reply 11):
If only one could apply this sort of procurement argument to the Raptor instead of the JSF?

Who can say... I hope for you this to become true.
For me is impossible but instead of JSF I would prefer to see in my ariforce more multirole typhoons.
Big version: Width: 300 Height: 190 File size: 12kb
Big version: Width: 300 Height: 213 File size: 17kb

Only one aircraft, only a logistic, less cost of develpment. More quick in service.

And I envy to you for the C-17...


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5337 times:

Quoting TSV (Reply 11):
If only one could apply this sort of procurement argument to the Raptor instead of the JSF?

Well, a retired RAAF Air Vice Marshall agrees with you!
Retired RAAF Vice-Marshal: Abandon F-35, Buy F-22s (updated)



"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineMigfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5276 times:

Here's a taste...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...emaster+III+airlifter+exiting.html


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Quoting Papoose (Reply 12):
Only one aircraft, only a logistic, less cost of develpment. More quick in service.

So what are you going to do when your Typhoon rolls off the end of Cavour into the ocean?



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlinePapoose From Italy, joined Sep 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5185 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 15):
So what are you going to do when your Typhoon rolls off the end of Cavour into the ocean?

To have 16/18 F-35 on a carrier we don't need 60 or more in the airforce.

We can buy directly or at least assemble them here as done with the AV-8Bs, without participate to the developement and avoiding to spend so much money; money wich can be spent better...

For example for some C-17...

Papoose

[Edited 2006-10-14 11:29:24]

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

Quoting Papoose (Reply 16):
We can buy directly or at least assemble them here as done with the AV-8Bs, without participate to the developement and avoiding to spend so much money; money wich can be spent better...

You do realize that the F-35 is a significantly more capable airframe than the Eurofighter, right? They are not really comparable.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlinePapoose From Italy, joined Sep 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5128 times:

I realize that for my country is very difficult to afford such a cost in this moment.
Even if I agree that the lightning II is -will be- more capable in the A/G role I think that typhoon, except for the stealth is a very capable and probably more capable in the future multirole platform. Anyway more than adapted for the Italian Air force for many years.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

Quoting TSV (Reply 5):

and not to mention strapping on real Kangaroos instead of painted roos in the roundels to give them that extra spring and increase lift capability!

Maybe the Kangaroo should have been on the tail instead of the prancing stallion as shown on the link in Reply 14. Makes an apt comparison to the roo's pouch cargo carrying ability.  Smile



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Just received some photos of the RAAF C-17A doing the rounds. Anyone know of an easy way to upload them somewhere?


"I told you I was ill ..." Spike Milligan
User currently offlineMigfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Are they your photos, or copyrighted to someone else?

This is an aviation photo siter after all...

/M


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

ANy other country that wants C-17's better poop or get of the pot. I bet if these planes were being built by Boeing Witchita there would be no talk of shutting down the line. I guess Boeing is desperate to get out of California and sell all its assets quickly to the real estate mad speculators. I bet the land that the Long Beach assy is sitting on is worth more than the factory or the planes it puts out.


I would help you but it is not in the contract
User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

Quoting Migfan (Reply 21):
Are they your photos, or copyrighted to someone else?

Ones I've received are the same as these :

http://www.aussiemodeller.com/pages/discussiongroup/forum.html

which appear to have been doing the rounds within and now outside of the RAAF.



"I told you I was ill ..." Spike Milligan
User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

You all don't have much longer to wait for the real thing. The "ROO" had its 5-hour maiden flight at Long Beach Airport, and is scheduled for delivery on Nov 28. An early Christmas present.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ralia's+debut+C-17+lifts+off.html



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
25 Post contains links Columba : From here
26 Post contains links and images Blackbird1 : During my recent trip to the States there was one RAAF C-17 in front of the C-17 facility at Long Beach: http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...ready/
27 Post contains links Blackbird1 : For those who are interested in, below you will find the link to the photo of the RAAF C-17: http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...61201_A41206_LGB_2
28 TSV : Well apparently it arrived in Canberra today but didn't make many News bulletins as other things were happening in Canberra today. Anyone know when it
29 Legs : We were told at work that its arriving tomorrow (6th Dec), with a few passes over the airfield before an official function, sometime in the late morni
30 MigFan : Nice aircraft. Good luck RAAF! /M
31 Post contains links TSV : The arrival in Canberra : http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2006/Dec/20061204b.cfm (and yes the jokes about the key start below ... )
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